Scientists Prove That All Religious Books Are Man-Made Nonsense

"Fables should be taught as fables, myths as myths, and miracles as poetic fancies. To teach superstitions as truths is a most terrible thing." - Hypatia of Alexandria (370 - 415 AD)

WASHINGTON DC – USA – Scientists at the Institute of Historical Research have finally released their findings after five years of dedicated research.

The scientists, headed by Doctor Julius Sanreso, welcomed the research findings and said that it would be in the interests of those who believe in such nonsense as organised religion or creationism to accept the fact that religious books were written by men as a control system.

“Just think for one second, if ‘God’ or a ‘messenger of God’ had written that particular religious book/bible, how come the writings only occur within a very limited period in human history? Also, consider the fact, that a human writing on a piece of paper, or a few pieces of paper, is not the word of ‘God’. If they were really written by a universal God or entity, the books would not be limited to some pre-medievel costume drama but would encompass all universality, history, the future and science. Language is something created by man, not an all-seeing, all encompassing entity. God would presumably be universal and timeless as well as all-knowing, as is the universe, therefore these man-written books and scriptures, are just that, man-written linguistically created nonsense used to control men and women thousands of years ago. Why would ‘God’ write anything anyway? One must consider the fact that, even now, there are religious zealots and ordinary people still entrenched in a control belief system that is so far removed from reality that it borders on madness. There is no rational or scientific way that organised religions can have a modicum of truth or factual reality because of the very reason that these books are entombed in the time that they were written. These books should therefore simply be viewed as limited parables and historical fiction, as well as a lesson in how millions of people can be so easily controlled.”

The research paper also came to the conclusion that reward/punishment religions, as control systems, were losing their grip on most of the population of the world and only a few die-hard fanatics and delusional maniacs were carrying on with the flame of idiocy.

“The game is up for all religions, how long can this sham carry on, with their ridiculous outdated ceremonies? The priests are deceivers, and they need to come up with some pretty radical solutions to their thousand year old magic trick. People aren’t as dumb or easily swayed as they used to be thousands of years ago, they actually have reasoning powers and can see through the utter nonsense of organised control systems like religion.”

The problem for the world’s political leaders, is that slowly, humans who were controlled for so many years by fictitious writings, may suddenly lose their controlled ‘faith’. This could be quite dangerous, because it would mean that these people would suddenly wake up and realise that they have been fooled for so long by being communally hypnotised.

“We must ensure that the people who have been fooled for so long by fictitious belief systems utilised to control humans do not get too angry when they realise that what they believe in is nonsense written by humans utilising human created language. This could be dangerous for society, so we must either let them carry on believing their fiction or try to somehow support them when they realise the truth,” Dr Sanreso said.

The research paper will be published in its entirety in 2015.

  • Christine Gavlick

    You have a point. It HAS been all about CONTROL from day one. Now we have these Marxists (disguised as “Progressives’/Democrats”) controlling us. They have no God and NO religion, ONLY their own society of deceivers out to control us all. They control the money, the media (they even have Oprah Winfrey –another celebrity BILLIONAIRE in their inner circle –coming on TV to extoll the “virtues” of their sick, delusional, Marxist dream of CHANGING America, they make the laws, they use every Government agency and media outlet as a tool for CONTROLLING anyone who stands in their way. They plant and pay (very handsomely) people in positions in the media and on TV who will carry out their sick propaganda without opposition. Anyone who opposes them is dealt with as they see fit. Fired, humiliated, forced to resign, trashed by all of them and their friends as being “a lunatic/ fanatic, right-wing nut job, homo-phobe, radical or whatever the term du-jour is that day. With all of the extremism coming from the pseudo-Marxist (formerly Democrat) Party and their MSM idiots, I don’t blame people for trying to believe in the concept of a God who will, one day, come back to avenge the mistreatment of so many by the few who see themselves as God.

  • Alaaddin Cakirerk AL

    It is not even an issue worth discussing. It is about control of the messes making more money, greed and power. Why would so mighty god always need a human translator or books to communicate to anyone? Even the bacteria that controls the most life in known universe, (maybe Universes) do not need books to make you do what ever they desire without any books.

  • Larry Burks

    If it had been the word from a god, it wouldn’t have been in human language, but in some type of symbols, that would have given each person who looked at it, their own personal message from the god. But that’s not the case is it?
    “If you don’t eat your meat, how can you have any pudding”…

  • Lupin

    And what kind of credible fact do you have in the bible. Besides, the bible is not adapted to today. Many things have been interpreted differently to save its face. But look, the man has to be th main provider is silly now. Women work, they want to, theyhave an education and many do earn more than their partner. Can you imagine a CEO in banking, would could she marry to fit the bible text? Another bank CEO, what a celebration of love…..

  • Hilton Teper

    Insanity is believing that your hallucinations are real. Religion is believing that other peoples’ hallucinations are real.

  • 790

    Logically something from nothing makes no sense. Getting from 0 to 1 in a state of no outside forces baffles the mind. For any particle, any gas, let alone whole systems with organic life to evolve in any which way to actually BE when it’s accepted there had to be nothing all around at some point. Nothing can explain that. You can explain all day after the fact, how the galaxies formed, how the orbits came to be. Even how stars work, their age, and burnout point. All impressive, but it skips the origin, the unknowable and is a truth only after the fact.

    Truth is stranger than fiction for me. Anything is possible, it hurts the head real bad like to think like this Og wanna smash thinky thing on wall but hurt same, only different now. I don’t know if there is a God, or an after the fact entity that would be a God to us in what can be done but just a more capable product of this chaos like us. Maybe God is that event, thus it’s ever presence, for all is after the fact, all is of “God”. Heavens and Earth.

    I don’t believe this arguable “God” penned any books. Or took special notice of us in the whole of infinity. I strongly believe in the absence of fact (and mine/ours however you might word it is a tall freaking order to have filled!) , imagination rules.

    We are just the same of it. Role not as big as ego might have it. Stories and myths and all sorts of fantasy mashes into a nice stew of lies.

    There is no wrong in thinking of issues above your station. King size me. God size me. It’s certainly damaging to assert those thoughts in the smaller world your day to day reality is trapped in. That’s the venom. Fear,shame,pride. Based on what? Someones musings to an impossible thing? Keep that spirit of questioning, it’s not religion, it’s not irresponsible or wrong. You gotta care for our small place (Earth and each other) though if you ever want to propel yourself to realize bigger things. In all likely hood it’s a damned venture that will get us nowhere. Yet why shouldn’t we still try and at the very least love the journey.

    I hear God I no longer think Christians, Jews,Muslims or any of the imaginations of men. I add and o and make it Good. I try to live that way, treat others that way, and I hope to die that way. If my experience in chaos is over with the death of my vastly undercapable computer then so be it. I hope they don’t poison the Earth by embalming my corpse for viewing and the worms that form the last thing to go through my head have a feeling I enjoyed my journey by. This guy’s brain tastes GOOD. Full of vitamin thinky thought and fiber for smooth castings!

    We are special in a way. In that we are slow on the uptake that most everything else we share this small rock with seems to have figured out lol. I can see our alien contact. A whole litter of humans? So cute! Aren’t you special! Here, helmets and knee pads for our special friends to walk safely in. We will fix that atmosphere. CFC’s for hairspray. Silly willies. Oh yes we will fix that right up for you. Whose a good boy. You are that’s right.

  • Weeg Powers

    christian wackos…hold on santa is calling me for my list

  • Anon Amous

    I’ll add something here, I was always unsure of religion I went to church a couple times I researched all I could on the internet. Well I was reached out to by spirits who accually interact by touch. they can feed the experience into your nervous system this alone proves there is an afterlife. I was skeptical at first but the proof is there at least for me. No I do not have any mental or physical illness this is wide awake daily experiences. Using a medium I have been able to find out that its my wife/soulmate who has crossed over and is waiting for me to finish my final life here on earth to be with her. The spirit world is very real, just religion has been manipulated to control the masses. Good luck to everyone in figuring things out for yourself.

    • Salma

      In my opinion, I think god is real, but religions are not, and there is an afterlife. Even though I think there’s no religion, I will stay a Muslim because I know that at least god exists.

    • Salma

      Or that religion is real, but the holy books were manipulated by someone

  • Mishal Muzammil

    actually, what you are talking about isn’t really islam, it’s just muslim people who aren’t right in their head. And there are a lot of other people not right in their head too, of other religions, but sadly a lot of the majority of undeveloped/backwards countries consist of muslims.
    Im a muslim myself, and I do say that half of them are completely crazy but not because of what ISLAM has taught them, but rather because of the society they live in etc.
    The Quran and Islam itself NEVER states to do anything like forced marriages etc., it’s all created by people living in a specific area and society.
    So you can’t really generalise muslims like that, maybe countries because of the mindset of people there, but not religion.
    I as a muslim have saved countless lives of people, animals and children, have multiple welfare organisations taking action against causes, am HAPPILY married to the person I fell in love myself with and do ALL of that following the basis of my religion, Islam, exactly how it tells me to. If all those stupid people were to ACTUALLY do what their God has told them too, i swear this world would be full of rainbows and unicorn dust because of just how beautiful and loving the message of Islam really is.
    So i don’t blame you for getting muslims wrong, but it’s not the religion that’s bad, it’s just the people themselves influenced by the wrong society.

    • marcos_marcotron

      It’s not beautiful and loving at all. The core message is ‘if you don’t believe in God you will be punished’.

      When the core message is ‘non-believers are bad people worthy of punishment’, it’s not a good start.

      And the sexism is awful, women only allowed half what a man has regarding inheritance, men being ‘a degree above’ women, twice the women needed to be witnesses, than a man, being allowed to marry up to four wives, (while the reverse is not allowed), being allowed to marry a non-muslim IF one is a male, but not if one is female.

      And of course, a man is permitted to have sex with his slave girl, and is allowed to hit his wife if she doesn’t do what she asks.

      But of course, any other line in the book about treating women with respect, sugar-coats any of those lines doesn’t it?

      Now as you say, regarding certain things in the Quran (and the same goes for any other religion like it), people can interpret it differently. But why would the supreme god of the universe, who can do anything, and who apparently helped create the Quran, not make it so it was clearly understandable by everyone, and not open to any interpretation?

      Is god not capable of creating a book in which the mesage can’t be interpreted wrongly?

  • Raymond

    my experience

    i recently had some sort of message delivered to me im not one to make this stuff up took me a while to realise that it was a message not something trying to posess me or something i kept blocking it out for about 3 weeks it felt like intense energy vibrations making my whole body shake sometimes what i was seeing and feeling was energy and how it moves in different ways giving different feelings and how you can i think i was given this message because im not often calm and stress myself out worrying about what is to come after death i still dont know but in my head i could see the energy was in colours of just blue and red and moast of my life i have not let my energy flow freely causing myself to not act as myself and be a really withdrawn person anyway enough about me

    what i believe the message was

    the message was that death will come eventually and dont waste your energy on worrying about something that you cant possibly know just live your life and make the most of it because it will eventually come to an end so try not to wast a moment being depressed or unhappy because that is time of your very existence wasted just be yourself dont worry about being judged by others dont let things like that stop you form being who you want to be also we need to become familiar with our higher senses and find out what they can do

    i do believe that the writings and ways of religion is wrong and just made up by man christians killed 1000s of people and tortured people into believing and in the bible it says thou shall not kill well the way the religion was formed was thru torture and killing and giving people no choice but to say they believe then the lies are spread 1000 years later and the bible we know says all this good sounding stuff but you just think back to history of how it was started totally against what it says is right i think when religion is all gone we will basically evolve when we all realize the truth

  • Hinse’in Nimul’atta

    it is good,investigating religions with fact,but our research should focus on the fact as well,if not it may hurt the endless knowledge which always updates.
    as i see,the research focus on the identity and existence of god,but if focusing on facts,before that we should to know our first father if so,father of father ………………father of father and father of whom?is he had been created from nothing?if not who is the first father,on the basis of fact,and what can be logic?
    we are physicals who don’t know our origin,which can understand with our logic,if so,it is poor logic researching about the existence and identity of god, so,if we get the father of the origin,from where comes the origin ,and if we get so,the origin,origin and origin……………………………………………………….origin,from where the last origin it is?so,in the presence of not knowing ourselves origin based on the fact which our mind can accept,it is very difficult to deny and conclude the identity and existence of god!!!!!

  • Steve Branch

    There was a mistake in the translation of the ancient records regarding the promise of one man receiving 72 virgins in paradise upon death. The correct translation is that each man will receive one 72 year old virgin in paradise upon death.

  • kelaren

    The almighty Science Gods

  • Mujahid Ahmed

    hmm something strong to think about. But yes, always as an individual I thought how can there be no miracles by God / Creator to save the oppressed who are suffering in the name of religion. How can the God / Creator not help his own children when they are being bombed or killed in Africa, Middle-East and many more countries to name? There has to be an awakening!!

  • AitchTee

    Is there anyone out there who could advise, according to the story, how soon after Noah completed the building his Ark did the rains come?

    I ask this to understand how kangaroos, who have only ever existed in Australia, managed to get to the Middle East in time to check-in. A lot of hops would have been involved.

    • Hunnie

      I always thought the flood was only ever supposed to have been in a relatively small region and not world wide.
      Aren’t some bible stories embellishments of real events?
      It seems quite likely that a person called Noah collected some of his animals together and saved them from a flood.
      Then the story grew……

    • Salma

      All these stories found in holy books are just tales. Scientists could not find proof that all the messengers and prophets of god exist. They were able to find fossils from millions of years ago, but not trace of a person from 5000 years?

  • DJM

    Psychiatry was man made, too…They are controlling the masses with pharmacuetical drugs.

    • Fr33th1nk3r

      Except that psychiatry is based on empirical findings, rather than just what some 2000-year old book says.

      Empiricism is the one thing that sets science completely apart from religion.

      With science– you begin by collecting facts, and maybe a loose prediction of what your findings will be (so long as you are willing to abandon this early hypothesis if further testing invalidates it). Your final conclusion is one based on what was observed in reality and under testing.

      With religion, you begin with the conclusion, and then proceed from there to try and find evidence that fits that conclusion, while throwing out any that does not support it.

      Science is self-correcting, in the event that mistakes are made or wrong conclusions are reached. Peer review ensures accuracy over time.

      Religion is non-self-correcting, and its believers will continue to make the same mistakes, year after year, century after century, because there is no baseline in reality by which to compare “fact” from “fiction”.

      • Michael B

        A science which relies upon ‘Physical facts’ and the ‘Religion’ of ‘Empiricism’ is as bad as any so called ‘Religion’.

        If you restrict yourself to a definition of ‘Facts’ derived only from the evidence of the five senses, you assume that this is the whole of ‘Reality’! Not very scientific in my view!

        • Daniel Burke

          Well, your view means shit – because that’s what science is. And science gave us electric and modern medicine – not your “view”.

          • Michael B

            Yeah! Keep believing! Science is still a belief system like all human views.:-) Beliefs are part of the furniture. We use them, in every thought.

          • Lupin

            pardon me, science for most is factual. Science is based on that.
            If you think that glucose being mainly controlled by glucose input, insulin and glucagon for example, is a beleif, that light is energy etc…. them then just go to lala land

          • Michael B

            All scientific ‘Facts’ are only provisional – open to change or reinterpretation. They are ultimately ‘Ideas’ within conscious minds. Like a definition of ‘La La land’ is.

          • Lupin

            Well, you can always say it, but that is a complete delusion. And you probably have a lack of scientific eduction to make the statement you made.
            Yes there is exploratory science and fields where uncertainties do exist is frequent that is why it is called science reserach. Social science, health science and, space sciences etc… are full of that.
            But a large part of science is rock solid room. There is no room for interpretation. Things can be repeated controled, replicated, cross checked, by many scientist all over hte woeld and they will come to the same conclusions.
            The latter by the way, in contrast to religion, several religions are present, and within each of them, religion are notorious for interpretation leading to disagrements. the issue is, nothing can be check or tested, all is interpretation of lines in a book.

          • Michael B

            Yes, it IS difficult to argue against those things that relate to the ‘evidence of the physical senses’. This is (largely) the arena that science restricts itself to. How can one argue with that etc. But, if one says; that reality as a whole, or in fundamental terms, is defined by the physically perceived aspect of it – then we surely deny validity to the phenomena of consciousness. Such a science, even views our consciousness as a collection of physical interactions.

            To quote yourself.. in another answer you gave….

            “…there is mystery, a force, something is going on, matter is here, where is it from, it is crazy!
            A big question, But I can’t put God as an answer”

            So come on… you think there is ‘something else’ besides that which a physically oriented science focuses on! And there is plenty of ‘Evidence’ – within consciousness – to indicate this is so. But, this is not apparent when one requires explanations of reality to always have ‘Physically perceivable evidence’

            You are correct. I don’t have a ‘scientific’ education. And for that reason allow myself to think outside of that paradigm. I’m content with my understanding of reality.
            I don’t dismiss the scientific approach, but I can see where it relies on assumptions. (That physical reality is an ‘objective’ reality, for example)

            Those that rely on it should ponder how acceptance of any viewpoint, can inhibit further understanding. This applies to all of us in my view!

            To be clear – I’m not arguing for the religious view of reality here.

            Thanks for sharing your views!

  • Glenn Gallaher

    The light is a lie, the words are lie, and everything you have ever been taught is a lie. From everything you believe to everything you take for granted. Things are not what the government told you, or has ever told you, and that goes for their science to their religion. It is all lies, wake up to the nothingness and eternity of consciousness. Death is only a step, this is a step, it is a process, but one that will soon end if we do not do something different. For thousands of years we have let evil live, and it is time for a change, because look at the destruction they have brought to this world. All I know is that I am not the one that stole what they had that would be government and every governmental agent. Wake up and see the truth for who the criminals really are and have always been.

    • Fr33th1nk3r

      Somebody needs a shot of thorazine….

      • Glenn Gallaher

        nope sheep need to wake up and see the truth.

        • Oliver Klenthis

          The only thing we can verify 100% is the existence of our own consciousness. I think therefore I am. Material is fundamentally empty space and waves. “It will remain remarkable in whatever way our future concepts may develop, that the very study of the external world lead to the scientific conclusion that consciousness is the ultimate reality” – Alain Aspect.

    • Lupin

      there is lot of crap going on, many things we do not know, yes.
      But my dear, I do not know what you smoke, but it must be very strong

      • Glenn Gallaher

        I rather walk on my feet with the devil by my side, then on my knees as a slave in front of an imaginary god of gold or greed or government.

        Walking. (looking at footsteps.)

        I walk this land and cross a beach and look back and see a broken set of prints leading to me.

        I remember my hard time, and told that you held me, but it never felt like that, it felt like you were not there.

        I look and see this broken set of prints and always seems to be in my time of need, and you said you held me, then why did I feel so alone?
        I look and wonder about that second set, and you never seemed to be there when my heart got broken, and I needed a shoulder to cry on, it did not seem like you were there.
        I rather walk with the devil and know that those steps are both mine and his and have him there in my times of need, and not on my knees.

        I rather know that he was there then tell me it is not as it seem.
        I rather walk as a free man upright and with my own footsteps and see two steps when I look back.

        I rather know that he was there in my time of need, then the claim of him not having faith in me to walk beside him.
        I rather walk with the devil by my side and 2 sets of footprints in the sand, then one that claims he works in mysterious ways.
        And wants me to praise him on my knees as a slave.

        I am no slave to god, gold, or government.

        I walk free, and if that means it is by the devils side, then it must be.

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  • kelaren

    Science , I am afraid to say , is itself a religion. Quite a dangerous one at that. Therefore , this study only “proves” itself to be a big old heap of Darwinian dung. I have no religious inclination at all but I have to advise that science <>past this bible bashing constant droning on and on.

    • Kool_laddo

      How is science a religion? what the fuk is wrong with you??
      So you get sick and get some amoxicillin, and that is some how a religion? Science is about natures law, fuken idiot!

      • kelaren

        Oh my word. My point has just been beautifully illustrated, thanks for that.
        That irrational , defensive , nonsensical response is exactly what I would expect from a true believer.
        Aside from treating your bacterial infections and all that, where is nature or the law in the modern myth of climate change? I think science is a wonderful thing, but I do not like this elite, exclusionary, corrupt system in which it resides.
        Have a look at these links and just take some time out to actually look into the current state of science.

        Scientific studies have proven the academic , scientific peer review process to be totally corrupt. Why you trust them with natural law? Is cloning natural? What about genetic engineering? They care not a jot for natural law. This is OBVIOUS if you spend a little bit time on research.

        • Fr33th1nk3r

          You are a moron of the highest degree.

          The peer review process almost depends on human greed and yearning for knowledge to succeed– the very things you erroneously claim invalidate it

          The incentive to being able to prove somebody else’s theories wrong? $$$$$……

          The incentive to get your facts straight and come to a correct and useful conclusion that CAN’T be proven wrong later? $$$$$…….

          **** “Aside from treating your bacterial infections and all that, where is nature or the law in the modern myth of climate change?”

          Have you even bothered to read the IPCC’s findings? The “myth” is well-supported from 24 independent lines of research– all developed by observing natural pehnomena. The “myth” is based on well-understood scientific principles that you have benefitted from everyday, but now denounce because your Bronze-Aged belief system requires you to do so in order for it to stay relevant.

          **** “I think science is a wonderful thing, but I do not like this elite, exclusionary, corrupt system in which it resides. ”

          There is nothing “corrupt” about the search for truth through honest and empirical means. Praying for answers has not provided any new technologies, new miracle cures, new ways of doing things better. All praying has done for the last 2000 years is to cause wars, genocide, bigotry, and keep societies tribal and uneducated.

    • Marvin Bross

      May the spaghetti monster spit meatballs in your eyes for such nonsense.

      • kelaren

        ok well please expand on your critique or explain your argument with more substance than pasta monster vomit balls in your eye

    • Fr33th1nk3r

      Empiricism is the one thing that sets science completely apart from religion. Scientific truths do not hinge upon popularity or personal desires– rather, it is based on observable reality. That is why science is NOT a religion– it requires no faith, only objectivity.

      With science– you begin by collecting facts, and maybe a loose prediction of what your findings will be (so long as you are willing to abandon this early hypothesis if further testing invalidates it). Your final conclusion is one based on what was observed in reality and under testing.

      With religion, you begin with the conclusion, and then proceed from there to try and find evidence that fits that conclusion, while throwing out any that does not support it.

      Science is self-correcting, in the event that mistakes are made or wrong conclusions are reached. Peer review ensures accuracy over time.

      Religion is non-self-correcting, and its believers will continue to make the same mistakes, year after year, century after century, because there is no baseline in reality by which to compare “fact” from “fiction”.

      That is why religion is going obsolete.

  • Steve Branch

    Anyone who studies human history, world religions, and the psychology of the transcendental temptation is more likely to understand the subsequent pathology of the majority of human beings. Religion is not just a mere mental delusion, but a great moral evil. Theists need our help…..through compassionate understanding and guidance…but, most importantly, through a comprehensive and proper education.

    • Mujahid Ahmed

      Agree with you. I realised this very late in case of my religion. The God / Creator is just an illusion used to manipulate people to divide and rule. I’m glad, I now have no worries.

      • Steve Branch

        Better late than never, Mujahid. Yet, I think it is more wholesome to have experienced religion and rejected it than to reject religion without the experience. More apt to appreciate the folly of it all. Welcome to true freedom.

  • tom rose

    “there are religious zealots and ordinary people still entrenched in a control belief system that is so far removed from reality that it borders on madness”

    Almost correct. These systems do not “border on madness”. They are madness.

  • Christopher

    I say to all people of this world,there is a Creator, and I also say, that, Religion, is man made, and that the great Architect of the universe, was indeed a great God, who has visited planet earth many times, try reading about the Sumerians and also Lloyd Pie, ”Everything you ever knew was a lie”

  • Malcolm Taylor

    well well well where is the paper to be published

  • Meet

    Well for me if there is a God,then it won’t be from any book, everyone comes here with brain. And what I feel about God that, God is who gives us this life and things for Living. So for me that’s only our Mother EARTH.. We r made from her, she gives us everything. But we give her pain, lot of pain, and no prayer can make her feel better. Went ppl r so blind, and praying other objects or Gods, which r just from the books. If we don’t respect our Mother Earth then I bet u no God will save us. Don’t ppl feel that Earth itself is ALIVE??? It’s protecting herself and us. If there is Heaven or Hell exist!! It’s on earth. If u do well u be at a better place. For me other Gods are just an excuse. Or maybe those days ppl use to write whatever they feel can be good. But if u personally ask me what is God?? I would say it’s the whole EXISTENCE……

  • Steve Branch

    Let’s not forget that this all merciful, all loving god with make you burn forever for simply not believing in him. I would spend that eternity in his hell before I kneel to any such being.

    • Brooke Gaf

      Whilst giving us a book of answers that neither fundamentally correlates with the way nature is known to work nor the evolution of social order. Basically making it even harder to believe if you use unbiased logic and have the capacity for critical thinking.

      • Steve Branch

        Well put Brooke. Reminds me of Hitchen’s observation: “What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof.”

  • 4peace4all

    Why a God, any God doesn’t come down or send someone to get rid of the issues we are currently dealing with? Don’t tell me ‘if you look hard enough or pray hard enough, he would show up or listen to you!’ Don’t even try that non-sense. Why have the Gods given us such horrible diseases? Why would he take out children by cancers? Why children are being autistic? What have they done to anyone? Why are they brought to this world without the senses to enjoy it? Why the main issue in this world is ‘killing each other’? Why do human have that tendency? Why God gave us that? Don’t tell me, ‘I won’t understand!’ Don’t even try it!! Yeah, when I ask questions, “you are going to eternal hell!!!” Don’t quote some books. Give me proper answers. You can’t, you know why? You don’t know. You (we) are doing what other people are telling you to.

    Anytime/every time I ask anyone anything semi intelligent regarding religion, there is no answer. It’s crickets in the room and then ‘I am going to burn in eternal hell’. You mean to tell me if I help other human beings all my life, do good deeds without going to the mosque/church, I am going to hell compare to some selfish jerks who prayed everyday who would go to heaven? Does that make any sense to anyone? ‘Oh, religion doesn’t have to make sense!’ Yeah, that’s the explanation!!!

    No human being in this world is going to tell me how to live my life. Never gonna happen. No book that is written thousands of years ago is going to tell me how to live my life in 2016. Never gonna happen. My parents raised me as a good person (I think), I take care of my family/friends/relatives as much as I can, try not to harm others, try not to lie. That is my religion. I believe if there is an Almighty, He/She would accept my religion as I described. I don’t need a book or any book for that!!

    • Hassan Nasrallah

      I agree, as an ex-Muslim I have also finally seen the light. I do believe in a Creator of the universe, but that creator cannot be the one described in those schizophrenic “holy books”.

      • Lupin

        Completely with you here, there is mystery, a force, something is going on, matter is here, where is it from, it is crazy!
        A big question, But I can’t put God as an answer

  • Karl Austatin

    The mere fact that multiple religions, many extremely different from one another, exist and contradict each other so much is proof enough to me that all religions that existed, exist, and will exist are wrong.

    If there is a form of all powerful deity, then no one would be able to deny it and every one would believe in it.

    • Hassan Nasrallah

      Interesting, because that is also what medieval Iranian polymath al-Razi said centuries before the European enlightenment occurred. Some quotes;

      “On what ground do you deem it necessary that God should single out certain individuals [by giving them prophecy], that he should set them up above other people, that he should appoint them to be the people’s guides, and make people dependent upon them?”

      Concerning the link between violence and religion, Razi expressed that God must have known, considering the many disagreements between different religions, that “there would be a universal disaster and they would perish in the mutual hostilities and fighting. Indeed, many people have perished in this way, as we can see.”

      He was also critical of the lack of interest among religious adherents in the rational analysis of their beliefs, and the violent reaction which takes its place:

      “If the people of this religion are asked about the proof for the soundness of their religion, they flare up, get angry and spill the blood of whoever confronts them with this question. They forbid rational speculation, and strive to kill their adversaries. This is why truth became thoroughly silenced and concealed.”

      Al-Razi believed that common people had originally been duped into belief by religious authority figures and by the status quo. He believed that these authority figures were able to continually deceive the common people “as a result of [religious people] being long accustomed to their religious denomination, as days passed and it became a habit. Because they were deluded by the beards of the goats, who sit in ranks in their councils, straining their throats in recounting lies, senseless myths and “so-and-so told us in the name of so-and-so…”

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    • Lupin

      I am agnostic, but if you look into details, the God of the three main religions is actually the same.

    • Michael B

      Doesn’t the fact that humanity through the ages has had religious belief, at least point to the possibility, of ‘something’? All the difference in the many views of a mountain, or whatever reality, don’t prove it isn’t there!

      I can understand the rejection, or questioning, of the ‘God’ of religion, but the creative source – call it what you like – surely exists. There are only two choices. A ‘physically caused reality’, or a reality which emerges from an intelligent source. I’m with the latter. This source, doesn’t ‘Have’ to be ‘Religionized’. It simply IS the source. No beginning no end.

      Scientific types want ‘Proof’ in big dependable letters. The proof stares you in the face, when you look in a mirror! It follows you around as you live your day. Like the nose on your face is invisible, so is your source.

  • Bradd Wickert

    Religion is a form of brainwashing. Humans have had some sort of “GOD” thousands of years before Jesus or Mohammad. Human nature drives us to want to explain our existence. A higher power. Someone or something greater than humans has to exist right? Why? Can’t we just exist on this blue ball spinning in space like all the other creatures? Must there be a grand plan? Humans are very insecure by nature so we look to something to explain why people die, the sun, water, earth. Funny how the Bible and Quran were written long before we discovered the earth wasn’t the center of the universe and it was infact round not flat. If someone comes up to you and says “God told me to do…” would you believe that God actually stood in front of him and talked to him or would you think you need to call for some medical help? “We are GOD” as humans and should treat each other with love, tolerance, respect and help each other best we can. Not push our beliefs on each other as a way of controlling. If we don’t we will end up slaves of death like the dogs of ISIS.

    • Kool_laddo

      Your on the fuken money right there! , cant agree with you more! Its human nature to believe in a “superior being” Oh not to mention people being in comfort thinking their loved ones are watching them/ they will see them one day. Yes it is sad seeing life like that…. But its true.!

    • Umair

      theories theories theories…the fact of the matter is that GOD (Allah) exist from always and will always exist, it is just we who dont see him and this is the test, to believe in Allah with free will without any reasons or him coming to us himself (though he will reveal himself to the paradisers). But still, to be on the safe side, a wise person will always trust a legitimate proven source i.e. The Holy Quran first, than going onto the theories. There is a reason that the Quran is a proven record of unchanged words of wisdom, and not just wisdom but the rhythm, the tone, the GODLY behaviour is so very clear in Quran, no human can reproduce such a material and never has.
      Disclaimer: The disbeliever will not believe coz there a stamp on their hearts, coz even the king who was shown the split of the moon by Prophet Muhammad PBUH denied and said its magic…no magic can break the moon now, but for a disbeliever everything right can be wrong and everything wrong can be right, they are destined for this faith thing.

  • HamaFist

    I agree with this “opinion” however, Julius Sanreso does not exist, and or has no connection to IHR, also there is no research paper, or scientific report.

  • Rajendra

    If god is real and religions are not fake the world should have one god

  • HamaFist

    All religions are based on paganism, so not completely nonsense 🙂

    • Lemura

      I don’t think Buddhism is based on paganism. Shamanism pre-dates pagan rituals. Most Abrahamic religions are bastardised versions of paganism.

      • WisdomCh2

        Abrahamic religions are NOT bastardized versions of paganism. Have you even read about Abraham or what they believed?

        • HamaFist

          LOL, the entire Jewish religion was created by man and it is a collection and amalgamation of all religions before it. Abraham is not a real historical person, he is a fictional character.

      • HamaFist

        Buddha is the SUN, like Jesus is the SUN. He never really existed, Abraham = Abram = Aries, he is also a fictional character that never really existed. All of these characters in the Bible Torah and Quran are fictional including Jesus and Muhammad.

        • Deeshon

          Man!! I don’t know why u all r anti-religion, but, well, just like y’all i am too finding answers. Actually I am a Christian myself(a strong believer) and the answers I am searching for is not whether Christianity is true ( I already know it’s true) but about why can’t the world find enough proof and then criticize a religion. Like u’ll say that for a religion the only proof is its own “holy book”, yeah that may be true, yet its not the same for Christianity. There r other documentary evidences, which are not simply written by nobodys but by ancient scientists, mathematicians etc….
          Take the following into account please :

          Thallus (52AD)
          Thallus is perhaps the earliest secular writer to mention Jesus and he is so ancient his writings don’t even exist anymore. But Julius Africanus, writing around 221AD does quote Thallus who previously tried to explain away the darkness occurring at Jesus’ crucifixion

          “On the whole world there pressed a most fearful darkness; and the rocks were rent by an earthquake, and many places in Judea and other districts were thrown down. This darkness Thallus, in the third book of his History, calls, as appears to me without reason, an eclipse of the sun.” (Julius Africanus, Chronography, 18:1)

          If only more of Thallus’ record could be found, we might find more confirmation of Jesus’ crucifixion. But there are some things we can conclude from this account: Jesus lived, He was crucified, and there was an earthquake and darkness at the point of His crucifixion.

          I also saw someone above saying that Jesus never really existed nor is there any proof about His life. That’s just hilarious cuz I am gonna put up a non Christian document written by Cornelius Tacitus :

          “Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular.”

          In this account, Tacitus confirms several historical elements of the Biblical narrative: Jesus lived in Judea, was crucified under Pontius Pilate, and had followers who were persecuted for their faith in Christ.

          And u hv this too :

          Josephus (37-101AD)

          In more detail than any other non-biblical historian, Josephus writes about Jesus in his “the Antiquities of the Jews” in 93AD. Josephus was born just four years after the crucifixion. He was a consultant for Jewish rabbis at an early age, became a Galilean military commander by the age of sixteen, and he was an eyewitness to much of what he recorded in the first century A.D. Under the rule of Roman emperor Vespasian, Josephus was allowed to write a history of the Jews. This history includes three passages about Christians, one in which he describes the death of John the Baptist, one in which he mentions the execution of James (and describes him as the brother of Jesus the Christ), and a final passage which describes Jesus as a wise man and the messiah.

          “Now around this time lived Jesus, a wise man. For he was a worker of amazing deeds and was a teacher of people who gladly accept the truth. He won over both many Jews and many Greeks. Pilate, when he heard him accused by the leading men among us, condemned him to the cross, (but) those who had first loved him did not cease (doing so). To this day the tribe of Christians named after him has not disappeared”

          From this text, we can conclude: Jesus lived in Palestine, was a wise man and a teacher, worked amazing deeds, was accused by the Jews, crucified under Pilate and had followers called Christians.

          There is enough proof to say that a man named Jesus lived and he performed amazing deeds defying the laws of nature (actions which Denys the laws of nature are known as miracles ). All these documentaries contains the same info that is contained in the Holy Bible itself. SO CAN YOU STILL DENY THE EXISTENCE OF JESUS AND SAY THAT THE BIBLE IS JUST A PIECE OF CRAP WRITTEN BY HUMAN IMAGINATION TO MAKE HUMANS, SLAVES UNDER A RELIGION NAMED CHRISTIANITY.



    • Karl Austatin

      Haha, moron.

    • Rufus Wallaby

      Why do you think this ? has somebody told you ? as tis said here it was always some sort of brain washing and some people are more able to be brain washed than others. Man developed a bigger more capable brain than other animals and yes that helped to think up gods because of the fear of death, ceasing to exist. NO man or woman has the right to deprive another of all that they are by taking a life, regardless. Religion was & is a control tool so the masses could more easily be controlled and bought to heel. If there are just laws and people abide by them there is no need for a religion, in fact it hinders mankinds development.

    • emile oosthuyzen

      meow bark bark 2 u 2 hahaha dipshit

    • Suddzy

      Wow, talk about a brainwashed religious fanatic, we’ve got a live one here.

      You are the dumb arse who has been conned.

      Some people have an innate desire to be controlled and for those people religion seems to fill a void. Take all those people who join sects and/or cults who believe the words of a real person, not some imaginary/superior God. Jim Jones conned a thousand people to join his cult and then had them take their own lives. It was later proven that he was nothing more than a conman who was often referred to as “The Mad Messiah”

      If you want to believe your God crap then keep it to yourself and don’t insult others just because they don’t believe in your imaginary friend. This is exactly how radical Muslims react ….. kill all the non-believers.

  • JJ Yu

    Scientifically, we are not able to prove if God actually exists; Even if God does exist, there might also be a possibility that we do not have the technology or the knowhow to prove it, as the presence of God may be in a non-physical form beyond our perceptible dimensions. Perhaps we’d never know.

    I don’t dare comment on the authenticity of any religious holy books and scripts. They have been around for thousands of years and along that timeline, anyone could have written them, or tampered with them and we would never know.

    But I don’t think this matters. The main point is, religion has brought about good and bad over the history of mankind. Its similar to culture, it cannot be erased and it should not be forgotten, religion can be regarded as one of mankind’s greatest heritage, if you may.

    As long as we keep to the right sides of religion, to do good and build a better world; not to get ourselves in conflict with others to prove a (at most times worthless) point. If God does exist, I’m sure He wants the best for us, but at the same time God gave us freedom to think. So, think well, think good, think right.

    Buddhist here by the way, but I choose to believe in the good faith of all religions and their representations of God, because what could be better than living in a peaceful and harmonious world.

    • juan equis

      Religion dude, is the narcotic of the masses OK, as its faith based and your given the chance of eternal life as most all are afraid of death, and NOTHING IS ETERNAL, NOT EVEN THE UNIVERSE. How stupid do you have to be to believe in such outrageous fiction, very stupid is clear. So along come the many religions over the millenniums due people needed an explanation for the wind, sun etc. and life, So some sociopaths /psychopaths ie.uneducated barbaric hallucinating savages concoct religions, as all are violet in some form or another,as in ALL! Christianity/ the tora / islam were all taken from the sumerian / egyptian and mirthism types of religion, all mixed later into judaism, christanity/ islam. Which this in itself should open up your blind mind and I say blind due the most ignorant statement yet about all the good religion has brought came from your mind. For your enlightenment (if possible) it’s caused more wars than any political / territory gain / cause and as I stated above, the bible / koran are the most violent books ever written, so wake your wishy washy brain up. Just goggle if you doubt the violent part and then you’ll see what a fool you have been for thinking the bible is so perfect, so good. Just do it so then you’ll see what you think is so good / perfect is the most vile / violent crap ever written. all verses are given OK, and the bibles they came from. God even says::Kill all who believe in any other god but me! Damn, what a thing to believe in and it gets worse.

  • JJ Yu

    Scientifically, we are not able to prove if God actually exists; Even if God does exist, there might also be a possibility that we do not have the technology or the knowhow to prove it, as the presence of God may be in a non-physical form beyond our perceptible dimensions. Perhaps we’d never know.

    But I don’t think this matters. The main point is, religion has brought about good and bad over the history of mankind. Its similar to culture, it cannot be erased and it should not be forgotten, religion can be regarded as one of mankind’s greatest heritage, if you may.

    As long as we keep to the right sides of religion, to do good and build a better world; not to get ourselves in conflict with others to prove a (at most times worthless) point. If God does exist, I’m sure He wants the best for us, but at the same time God gave us freedom to think. So, think well, think good, think right.

    Buddhist here by the way, but I choose to believe in the good faith of all religions and their representations of God, because what could be better than living in a peaceful and harmonious world.

  • Juswoo

    Im not very religious, im not a scientist, im just a random guy that believes in common sense and i agree and disagree some comments people here have made. I believe evolution just because it makes sense . I also hope that there is something happening after death maybe not a heaven or a hell but maybe something peaceful where i can just relax and be at peace 🙂

    • juan equis

      No, evolution does not make sense, as it is sense, as you can actually see the changes over the millions of years. Seeing is believing in this matter. yet christians deny what they see due so mentally deficient / irrational and delusional. And that is friggin scary.

  • John

    By renouncing Jesus Christ all those on here are doomed to burn in the eternal fires of hell. You are slaves to Gog and Magog you are slaves to Satan and his minions. You can only gain salvation in Christ.

    13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

    • Karl Austatin


      • juanequis

        John is beyond a retard, as to even be a retard you have to have a semblance of a brain. This guys 3 brains cells are in his ass, like his thoughts.

    • tom rose

      Oh please. Go away. I am sick of loonies like you.

    • juan equis

      You, like I’ve said in my post, need serious mental health help and massive doses of prozac / thorazine and other antipsychotic drugs and possibly a lobotomy. Only you need a brain for that, get it, hope so you raving nut case.

    • Reid Hampton

      Please get help!

  • Peto

    There it is!!!Anyone with a ounce of reasoning would agree with this finding….It want change too many people belief in Religion,Gods and Books..I believe most people are stuck on stupid when Religious matters are brought forth…We NEED a Deity in our Life because of the fear of been in the dark..Sad I know!!But that is how Homo-Sapien Roll..IT speaks on so many level about Humans and the Life they are born into…And the Fear of it ALL.What ever brings you peace,,even if it entails Religion,Gods,ETC,ETC…Go with it…I just Refuse to believe in boggy mens!!

    • juan equis

      All you need is common sense and believe in your abilities, even if non, as you damn sure will be screwed if you depend on magic /supernatural crap to intervene and make your life wonderful. Only the individual can do that without fooling themselves, which sadly over 2 billion do, as they are LOSERS!

  • welt

    “how come the writings only occur within a very limited period in human history?”

    Taking this line of questioning I guess one can safely question the validity of scientific research by asking the following:

    “How come scientific writings only occur within a very limited period in human history and not before? This means all science is pure bull because nature and the physical universe could not have behaved so before man started writing about it”

    Sounds illogical? Now please ask these so-called researchers to explain….

    • Kaiser

      Science is ongoing. I think the author is trying to posit that the bible for example and all its miracles were only written within a specific time thousands years ago and no one has written another since especially since the proliferation of science. Scientific research was condemned by early Christians but is now an established system of analysis and proof. Religion has ceased to be a valid meter of truth today.

      • servantheart

        Scientific research was not condemned by early Christians but proliferated by early Christians! Most of the colleges in the United States that started over 300 years ago were Bible-proclaiming schools originally. Harvard and Yale (originally Puritan) and Princeton (originally Presbyterian) once had rich Christian histories. Harvard was named after a Christian minister. Yale was started by clergymen, and Princeton’s first year of class was taught by Reverend Jonathan Dickinson. Princeton’s crest still says “Dei sub numine viget,” which is Latin for “Under God she flourishes.” In the United Kingdom, the earliest university-type establishment was probably the College, established by the Celtic preacher St. Illtyd in about AD 500. Oxford University was established by various religious orders. Likewise, Cambridge University was established in 1209 by Christian leaders. Saint Andrews, Scotland’s oldest university, was founded principally for the teaching and study of theology. The commitment of these religious founders might be suspect, but many of the later colleges were founded by Bible-believing Christians. The University of Edinburgh had a thoroughly evangelical beginning, being founded under Presbyterian auspices.
        Then came the change in American universities from the Christian worldview to naturalistic philosophy. Universities across the board fell first in the area of science in the 1870s.
        Methodological naturalism was the critical innovation that turned the universities around. (Methodological naturalism says, that scientists must do their work as if there is no God and that everything they study must be explained by three things: time, chance, and the laws of nature. In other words, only study things that INSIDE the box. Such a methodology for studying the physical world rules out the miraculous and providential works of God in His creation, even before investigation begins.)
        God is still THE measure of reality and TRUTH today…. Just read the Ten Commandments!

        • Religious Idiots

          Rhazes (865-925)

          Muhammad ibn Zakariyā Rāzī or Rhazes was a medical pioneer from Baghdad who lived between 860 and 932 AD. He was responsible for introducing western teachings, rational thought and the works of
          Hippocrates and Galen to the Arabic world. One of his books, Continens Liber, was a compendium of everything known about medicine. The book made him famous, but offended a Muslim priest who ordered the doctor to be beaten over the head with his own manuscript, which caused him to go blind, preventing him from future practice.

          Michael Servetus (1511-1553)

          Servetus was a Spanish physician credited with discovering pulmonary circulation. He wrote a book, which outlined his discovery along with his ideas about reforming Christianity — it was deemed to be heretical. He escaped from Spain and the Catholic Inquisition but came up against the Protestant Inquisition in Switzerland, who held him in equal disregard. Under orders from John Calvin, Servetus was arrested,
          tortured and burned at the stake on the shores of Lake Geneva – copies of his book were accompanied for good measure.


          The Italian astronomer and physicist Galileo Galilei was trialled and convicted in 1633 for publishing his evidence that supported the Copernican theory that the Earth revolves around the Sun. His research was instantly criticized by the Catholic Church for going against the
          established scripture that places Earth and not the Sun at the center of the universe. Galileo was found “vehemently suspect of heresy” for his heliocentric views and was required to “abjure, curse and detest” his
          opinions. He was sentenced to house arrest, where he remained for the rest of his life and his offending texts were banned.

          Henry Oldenburg (1619-1677)

          Oldenburg founded the Royal Society in London in 1662. He sought high quality scientific papers to publish. In order to do this he had to correspond with many foreigners across Europe, including the Netherlands and Italy. The sheer volume of his correspondence caught the attention of authorities, who arrested him as a spy. He was held in the Tower of London for several months.

          Gerhard Domagk (1895-1964)

          Domagk was a German pathologist and bacteriologist who is credited with the discovery of the first commercially-available antibiotic, sulfonamide, for which he was awarded the Nobel Prize for Medicine in 1939. Because a Nazi-critical Carl von Ossietzky had won the
          Nobel Peace Prize in 1935, Domagk was forced by the Christian Nazi regime to refuse the prize. He was arrested by the Gestapo for a week. After the war, in 1947, he was finally able to receive his Nobel Prize, but not the associated cash prize because too much time had elapsed.

          Albert Einstein (1879-1955)

          Born in Ulm in Germany, Einstein was a non-practicing Jew. His work on the General Theory of Relativity and his pacifist politics roused violent animosity from right-wing members of German society. When Christian Hitler
          came to power in January 1933, Einstein was in California and was almost immediately deprived of his posts in Berlin and his membership of the Prussian Academy of Sciences. His property was seized and his books were burned in public. Einstein never returned to Germany, and signed a letter to President Roosevelt alerting him to the fact that Germany might be developing an atomic weapon. He recommended that the US begin similar research.

          • servantheart

            There is NO LOGICAL thought process to these posts!

            You have to have just crawled out from under a rock to not know that Hitler was NOT a CHRISTIAN~ The religious views of Adolf Hitler are a matter of debate, with a consensus of scholars agreeing that Hitler was not a Christian and was skeptical of religion generally. According to Alan Bullock, Hitler was a rationalist and materialist “who believed neither in God nor in conscience”.[1] Nonetheless, Hitler opportunistically employed the language of “divine providence” in defence of his own myth.[2] When young, Hitler was baptised and confirmed in the Roman Catholic Church and raised by an anti-clerical father and practising Catholic mother. In adulthood, he became disdainful of Christianity, but retained some respect for the organisational power of the Church. Although he was prepared to allay conflicts for political reasons, according to Kershaw, Bullock, Evans, Fest, Phayer, Shirer and others, he eventually hoped to eradicate Christianity in Germany.[3] Prosecutors at the Nuremberg Trials submitted that Hitler engaged in a slow and cautious policy to eliminate Christianity.[4] Historians such as Fischel and Dill have written that if the regime could not eradicate Christianity, it hoped instead to subjugate or distort it to a Nazi world view. Steigmann-Gall interprets Hitler’s language to mean that Hitler held Jesus in high esteem as an “Aryan fighter” who struggled against Jewry, but notes that, over time, his Nazi movement became “increasingly hostile to the churches”.
            Gerhard Domagk (1895-1964)
            The “Christian Nazi regime” that you quote is totally untrue also. The Catholics at the time of the Nazis in Germany were passivists and the Nazis exploited them because they were in power. There is no such thing as a Christian Nazi!! Even back then, they truly didn’t realize what the Nazis were all about. If Domagk was forced by the Christian to refuse his Nobel Peace Price, it was because the Nazis would attempt his life.

            In your Henry Oldenburg (1619-1677) blurb, there is no mention of Christians. The words “authorities, who arrested him as a spy” does NOT imply Christians.

 (1564-1642) Though famous for his scientific achievements in astronomy, mathematics, and physics, and infamous for his controversy with the church was, in fact, a devout Christian who saw not a divorce of religion and science but only a healthy marriage: “God is known by nature in his works, and by doctrine in his revealed word.” He made a triumphant visit to Rome, where the papal court vied to do him honor. The head of church astronomers confirmed his discoveries, and Jesuit astronomers jostled to look through the telescope. Then what followed was a purely political manuvre by his academic enemies. The then Pope was inticed to get involved. Pope Paul V ordered the Inquisition to look into the matter. Galileo contended that proper interpretation of Scripture would agree with observed fact. The “Book of Nature,” written in the language of mathematics, would agree with the “Book of Scripture,” written in the everyday language of the people. Besides, the “Bible teaches men how to go to heaven, not how the heavens go,” and that it would be “a terrible detriment for the souls if people found themselves convinced by proof of something that it was made then a sin to believe.”

            But the Inquisition ruled against him in 1616. This was not as unreasonable as it appears. His position flew in the face of common sense and 1,500 years of academics. It violated the accepted laws of physics. The star parallaxes demanded by this system could not be observed (and would not be until 1838). The Inquisition condemned the Copernican system and forbade Galileo from teaching it as fact.

            But Galileo the scientific combatant never gave up. When a friend was elected pope in 1623, Galileo went to see him, but Urban VIII would not lift the injunction for fear of undermining church authority. The Catholic church was clearly wrong as it is in many things. It wasn’t until 1981 that the Catholic church ordered a commission to look into Galileo’s case, and another 11 years before the commission acknowledged the “errors” of Galileo’s judges.

            Michael Servetus (1511-1553)
            In Restitutio, Servetus posits correctly that blood travels from the right to the left ventricle via the lungs so that the blood might absorb the Holy Spirit, which Servetus believed to be, as it were, airborne. Previously, blood was thought to pass through the flesh between the ventricles. Clearly, Servetus was a talented doctor as well as a resolute heretic. He was burned at the stake for his heretical views not his science.

            Rhazes (865-925)
            It was a Muslim priest who beat him over the head, not a Christian. There is a distinct difference if you’re paying attention.

          • Christian Nazis

            “The anti-Semitism of the new movement (Christian Social movement)

            was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge.”

            [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 3]

            “I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty

            Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord’s work.”

            [Adolph Hitler, Speech, Reichstag, 1936]

            “I have followed [the Church] in giving our party program the

            character of unalterable finality, like the Creed. The Church has

            never allowed the Creed to be interfered with. It is fifteen hundred

            years since it was formulated, but every suggestion for its

            amendment, every logical criticism, or attack on it, has been

            rejected. The Church has realized that anything and everything can be

            built up on a document of that sort, no matter how contradictory or

            irreconcilable with it. The faithful will swallow it whole, so long

            as logical reasoning is never allowed to be brought to bear on it.”

            [Adolf Hitler, from Rauschning, _The Voice of Destruction_, pp. 239-40]

            “My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a

            fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded

            by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and

            summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest

            not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian

            and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord

            at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the

            Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight

            against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with

            deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact

            that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As

            a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have

            the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is

            anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is

            the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty

            to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them work and

            work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have only

            for their wages wretchedness and misery. When I go out in the morning

            and see these men standing in their queues and look into their

            pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very

            devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two

            thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people

            are plundered and exposed.”

            [Adolf Hitler, speech in Munich on April 12, 1922, countering a

            political opponent, Count Lerchenfeld, who opposed antisemitism on

            his personal Christian feelings. Published in “My New Order”, quoted

            in Freethought Today April 1990]

            “I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of

            the Almighty Creator.”

            [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp. 46]

            “What we have to fight for…is the freedom and independence of the

            fatherland, so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission

            assigned to it by the Creator.”

            [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp. 125]

            “This human world of ours would be inconceivable without the

            practical existence of a religious belief.”

            [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp.152]

            “And the founder of Christianity made no secret indeed of his

            estimation of the Jewish people. When He found it necessary, He drove

            those enemies of the human race out of the Temple of God.”

            [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp.174]

            “Catholics and Protestants are fighting with one another… while the

            enemy of Aryan humanity and all Christendom is laughing up his sleeve.”

            [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp.309]

            “I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so”

            [Adolph Hitler, to Gen. Gerhard Engel, 1941]

            “Any violence which does not spring from a spiritual base, will be

            wavering and uncertain. It lacks the stability which can only rest in

            a fanatical outlook.”

            [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, p. 171]

            “I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn

            splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the

            abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my

            father, the highest and most desirable ideal.”

            [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 1]

            “I was not in agreement with the sharp anti-Semitic tone, but from

            time to time I read arguments which gave me some food for thought. At

            all events, these occasions slowly made me acquainted with the man

            and the movement, which in those days guided Vienna’s destinies: Dr.

            Karl Lueger and the Christian Social Party.”

            [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 2]

            “…the unprecedented rise of the Christian Social Party… was to

            assume the deepest significance for me as a classical object of study.”

            [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 3]

            “As long as leadership from above was not lacking, the people

            fulfilled their duty and obligation overwhelmingly. Whether

            Protestant pastor or Catholic priest, both together and particularly

            at the first flare, there really existed in both camps but a single

            holy German Reich, for whose existence and future each man turned to

            his own heaven.”

            [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 3]

            “Political parties has nothing to do with religious problems, as long

            as these are not alien to the nation, undermining the morals and

            ethics of the race; just as religion cannot be amalgamated with the

            scheming of political parties.”

            [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 3]

            “For the political leader the religious doctrines and institutions of

            his people must always remain inviolable; or else has no right to be

            in politics, but should become a reformer, if he has what it takes!

            [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 3]

            “In nearly all the matters in which the Pan-German movement was

            wanting, the attitude of the Christian Social Party was correct and


            [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 3]

            “It [Christian Social Party] recognized the value of large-scale

            propaganda and was a virtuoso in influencing the psychological

            instincts of the broad masses of its adherents.”

            [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 3]

            “If Dr. Karl Lueger had lived in Germany, he would have been ranked

            among the great minds of our people.”

            [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 3, about the leader of

            the Christian Social movement]

            “Even today I am not ashamed to say that, overpowered by stormy

            enthusiasm, I fell down on my knees and thanked Heaven from an

            overflowing heart for granting me the good fortune of being permitted

            to live at this time.”

            [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 5]

            “I had so often sung ‘Deutschland u:ber Alles’ and shouted ‘Heil’ at

            the top of my lungs, that it seemed to me almost a belated act of

            grace to be allowed to stand as a witness in the divine court of the

            eternal judge and proclaim the sincerity of this conviction.”

            [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 5]

            “Only in the steady and constant application of force lies the very

            first prerequisite for success. This persistence, however, can always

            and only arise from a definite spiritual conviction. Any violence

            which does not spring from a firm, spiritual base, will be wavering

            and uncertain.”

            [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 5]

            “I soon realized that the correct use of propaganda is a true art

            which has remained practically unknown to the bourgeois parties. Only

            the Christian- Social movement, especially in Lueger’s time achieved

            a certain virtuosity on this instrument, to which it owed many of its


            [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 6]

            “Once again the songs of the fatherland roared to the heavens along

            the endless marching columns, and for the last time the Lord’s grace

            smiled on His ungrateful children.”

            [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 7, reflecting on World

            War I]

            “The more abstractly correct and hence powerful this idea will be,

            the more impossible remains its complete fulfillment as long as it

            continues to depend on human beings… If this were not so, the

            founders of religion could not be counted among the greatest men of

            this earth… In its workings, even the religion of love is only the

            weak reflection of the will of its exalted founder; its significance,

            however, lies in the direction which it attempted to give to a

            universal human development of culture, ethics, and morality.”

            [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 8]

            “To them belong, not only the truly great statesmen, but all other

            great reformers as well. Beside Frederick the Great stands Martin

            Luther as well as Richard Wagner.”

            [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 8]

            “The fight against syphilis demands a fight against prostitution,

            against prejudices, old habits, against previous conceptions, general

            views among them not least the false prudery of certain circles. The

            first prerequisite for even the moral right to combat these things is

            the facilitation of earlier marriage for the coming generation. In

            late marriage alone lies the compulsion to retain an institution

            which, twist and turn as you like, is and remains a disgrace to

            humanity, an institution which is damned ill-suited to a being who

            with his usual modesty likes to regard himself as the ‘image’ of God.”

            [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 10]

            “Parallel to the training of the body a struggle against the

            poisoning of the soul must begin. Our whole public life today is like

            a hothouse for sexual ideas and simulations. Just look at the bill of

            fare served up in our movies, vaudeville and theaters, and you will

            hardly be able to deny that this is not the right kind of food,

            particularly for the youth…Theater, art, literature, cinema, press,

            posters, and window displays must be cleansed of all manifestations

            of our rotting world and placed in the service of a moral, political,

            and cultural idea.”

            [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 10, echoing the Cultural

            Warfare rhetoric of the Religious Right]

            “But if out of smugness, or even cowardice, this battle is not fought

            to its end, then take a look at the peoples five hundred years from

            now. I think you will find but few images of God, unless you want to

            profane the Almighty.”

            [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 10]

            “While both denominations maintain missions in Asia and Africa in

            order to win new followers for their doctrine– an activity which can

            boast but very modest success compared to the advance of the

            Mohammedan faith in particular– right here in Europe they lose

            millions and millions of inward adherents who either are alien to all

            religious life or simply go their own ways. The consequences,

            particularly from a moral point of view, are not favorable.”

            [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 10]

            “The great masses of people do not consist of philosophers; precisely

            for the masses, faith is often the sole foundation of a moral

            attitude. The various substitutes have not proved so successful from

            the standpoint of results that they could be regarded as a useful

            replacement for previous religious creeds. But if religious doctrine

            and faith are really to embrace the broad masses, the unconditional

            authority of the content of this faith is the foundation of all


            [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 10]

            “Due to his own original special nature, the Jew cannot possess a

            religious institution, if for no other reason because he lacks

            idealism in any form, and hence belief in a hereafter is absolutely

            foreign to him. And a religion in the Aryan sense cannot be imagined

            which lacks the conviction of survival after death in some form.

            Indeed, the Talmud is not a book to prepare a man for the hereafter,

            but only for a practical and profitable life in this world.”

            [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 11]

            “The best characterization is provided by the product of this

            religious education, the Jew himself. His life is only of this world,

            and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his

            nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the

            new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude

            toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to

            drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who

            then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his

            business existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while

            our present-day party Christians debase themselves to begging for

            Jewish votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles

            with atheistic Jewish parties– and this against their own nation.”

            [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 11]

            “….the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil

            assumes the living shape of the Jew.”

            [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 11, precisely echoing

            Martin Luther’s teachings]

            “Faith is harder to shake than knowledge, love succumbs less to

            change than respect, hate is more enduring than aversion, and the

            impetus to the mightiest upheavals on this earth has at all times

            consisted less in a scientific knowledge dominating the masses than

            in a fanaticism which inspired them and sometimes in a hysteria which

            drove them forward.”

            [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf” Vol. 1 Chapter 12]

            “The greatness of every mighty organization embodying an idea in this

            world lies in the religious fanaticism and intolerance with which,

            fanatically convinced of its own right, it intolerantly imposes its

            will against all others.”

            [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf” Vol. 1 Chapter 12]

            “The greatness of Christianity did not lie in attempted negotiations

            for compromise with any similar philosophical opinions in the ancient

            world, but in its inexorable fanaticism in preaching and fighting for

            its own doctrine.”

            [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf” Vol. 1 Chapter 12]

            “All in all, this whole period of winter 1919-20 was a single

            struggle to strengthen confidence in the victorious might of the

            young movement and raise it to that fanaticism of faith which can

            move mountains.”

            [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf” Vol. 1 Chapter 12]

            “Thus inwardly armed with confidence in God and the unshakable

            stupidity of the voting citizenry, the politicians can begin the

            fight for the ‘remaking’ of the Reich as they call it.”

            [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf” Vol. 2 Chapter 1]

            “Of course, even the general designation ‘religious’ includes various

            basic ideas or convictions, for example, the indestructibility of the

            soul, the eternity of its existence, the existence of a higher being,

            etc. But all these ideas, regardless of how convincing they may be

            for the individual, are submitted to the critical examination of this

            individual and hence to a fluctuating affirmation or negation until

            emotional divination or knowledge assumes the binding force of

            apodictic faith. This, above all, is the fighting factor which makes

            a breach and opens the way for the recognition of basic religious


            [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf” Vol. 2 Chapter 1]

            “Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord

            commits sacrilege against the benevolent creator of this miracle and

            contributes to the expulsion from paradise.”

            [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf” Vol. 2 Chapter 1]

            “A folkish state must therefore begin by raising marriage from the

            level of a continuous defilement of the race, and give it the

            consecration of an institution which is called upon to produce images

            of the Lord and not monstrosities halfway between man and ape.”

            [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf” Vol. 2 Chapter 2]

            “It would be more in keeping with the intention of the noblest man in

            this world if our two Christian churches, instead of annoying Negroes

            with missions which they neither desire nor understand, would kindly,

            but in all seriousness, teach our European humanity that where

            parents are not healthy it is a deed pleasing to God to take pity on

            a poor little healthy orphan child and give him father and mother,

            than themselves to give birth to a sick child who will only bring

            unhappiness and suffering on himself and the rest of the world.”

            [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf” Vol. 2 Chapter 2]

            “That this is possible may not be denied in a world where hundreds

            and hundreds of thousands of people voluntarily submit to celibacy,

            obligated and bound by nothing except the injunction of the Church.

            Should the same renunciation not be possible if this injunction is

            replaced by the admonition finally to put an end to the constant and

            continuous original sin of racial poisoning, and to give the Almighty

            Creator beings such as He Himself created?”

            [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf” Vol. 2 Chapter 2]

            “For the greatest revolutionary changes on this earth would not have

            been thinkable if their motive force, instead of fanatical, yes,

            hysterical passion, had been merely the bourgeois virtues of law and


            [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf” Vol. 2 Chapter 2]

            “It doesn’t dawn on this depraved bourgeois world that this is

            positively a sin against all reason; that it is criminal lunacy to

            keep on drilling a born half-ape until people think they have made a

            lawyer out of him, while millions of members of the highest culture-

            race must remain in entirely unworthy positions; that it is a sin

            against the will of the Eternal Creator if His most gifted beings by

            the hundreds and hundreds of thousands are allowed to degenerate in

            the present proletarian morass, while Hottentots and Zulu Kaffirs are

            trained for intellectual professions.”

            [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf” Vol. 2 Chapter 2]

            “It may be that today gold has become the exclusive ruler of life,

            but the time will come when man will again bow down before a higher


            [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf” Vol. 2 Chapter 2]

            “Christianity could not content itself with building up its own

            altar; it was absolutely forced to undertake the destruction of the

            heathen altars. Only from this fanatical intolerance could its

            apodictic faith take form; this intolerance is, in fact, its absolute


            [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf” Vol. 2 Chapter 5]

            “For how shall we fill people with blind faith in the correctness of

            a doctrine, if we ourselves spread uncertainty and doubt by constant

            changes in its outward structure? …Here, too, we can learn by the

            example of the Catholic Church. Though its doctrinal edifice, and in

            part quite superfluously, comes into collision with exact science and

            research, it is none the less unwilling to sacrifice so much as one

            little syllable of its dogmas… it is only such dogmas which lend to

            the whole body the character of a faith.”

            [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf” Vol. 2 Chapter 5]

            “The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in

            his own denomination, of making people stop just talking

            superficially of God’s will, and actually fulfill God’s will, and not

            let God’s word be desecrated. For God’s will gave men their form,

            their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is

            declaring war on the Lord’s creation, the divine will.”

            [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf” Vol. 2 Chapter 10]

            “In the ranks of the movement [National Socialist movement], the most

            devout Protestant could sit beside the most devout Catholic, without

            coming into the slightest conflict with his religious convictions.

            The mighty common struggle which both carried on against the

            destroyer of Aryan humanity had, on the contrary, taught them

            mutually to respect and esteem one another.”

            [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf” Vol. 2 Chapter 10]

            “For this, to be sure, from the child’s primer down to the last

            newspaper, every theater and every movie house, every advertising

            pillar and every billboard, must be pressed into the service of this

            one great mission, until the timorous prayer of our present parlor

            patriots: ‘Lord, make us free!’ is transformed in the brain of the

            smallest boy into the burning plea: ‘Almighty God, bless our arms

            when the time comes; be just as thou hast always been; judge now

            whether we be deserving of freedom; Lord, bless our battle!’

            [Adolf Hitler’s prayer, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 2 Chapter 13]

            “The Government, being resolved to undertake the political and moral

            purification of our public life, are creating and securing the

            conditions necessary for a really profound revival of religious life”

            [Adolph Hitler, in a speech to the Reichstag on March 23, 1933]


            Berlin Churches Establish Bureau to Win Back Worshippers

            Wireless to the New York Times.

            BERLIN, May 13. – In Freethinkers Hall, which before the Nazi

            resurgence was the national headquarters of the German Freethinkers

            League, the Berlin Protestant church authorities have opened a bureau

            for advice to the public in church matters. Its chief object is to

            win back former churchgoers and assist those who have not previously

            belonged to any religious congregation in obtaining church membership.

            The German Freethinkers League, which was swept away by the national

            revolution, was the largest of such organizations in Germany. It had

            about 500,000 members …”

            [New York Times, May 14, 1933, page 2, on Hitler’s outlawing of

            atheistic and freethinking groups in Germany in the Spring of 1933,

            after the Enabling Act authorizing Hitler to rule by decree]

            “I go the way that Providence dictates with the assurance of a


            [Adolf Hitler, Speech, 15 March 1936, Munich, Germany.]

            “The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost

            duty to revive in the nation the spirit of unity and cooperation. It

            will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation

            has been built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our

            national morality, and the family as the basis of national life….”

            [Adolf Hitler, Berlin, February 1, 1933]

            “Today Christians … stand at the head of [this country]… I pledge

            that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy

            Christianity .. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian

            spirit … We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in

            literature, in the theater, and in the press – in short, we want to

            burn out the *poison of immorality* which has entered into our whole

            life and culture as a result of *liberal excess* during the past …

            (few) years.”

            [The Speeches of Adolph Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford

            University Press, 1942), pg. 871-872]

          • servantheart

            It’s COMMON KNOWLEDGE that Hitler was NOT a CHRISTIAN. He duped the people with his speeches and so he controlled them. Much the same as Obama, Clinton & Trump dupe so many today that they are Christians. They simply are NOT! History shows his HUGE ARROGANCE & his total RACISM which a follower or Christ would not exhibit.
            It’s too bad that you think you actually have a point to stand on here. Especially since what Hitler did is extreme common knowledge up to this very day.

          • nom nom nom

            Common knowledge?

            I prefer the academic sort myself. You are obviously someone easily swayed by ‘common knowledge’. hahaha

          • servantheart

            Obviously you are someone easily swayed by academic polemic debates of circular logic.

          • johnny johnston

            You only know part of your Hitler rhetoric / history, then put what suits you in print. Their was much more going on in Germany than your one sided over view deals in, and one sided it is due your half truths stated. What little I know, is that even though Hitler used deceit like all rulers, he was not without his religious views, that were christian, but did use it in part like all politicians to gain favor from the idiots who believe in such fiction. You only know the viewpoints of certain anti Hitler historians. So put all the facts in by using other non biased authors before you try and make your rhetoric sound like it’s 100% true.

          • Greg Terkanian

            There is an absolute logical thought process to nom nom nom’s posts. He is proving that throughout history, religious powers have chosen to dramatically oppress any scientific findings. The only explanation for such behavior is either the loss of control or the fear of the lies being uncovered.

          • johnny johnston

            I commend you on your vast but not hidden knowledge( except to the brainless jerk off of the millennium servantheart, OH excuse me FART, of these early for runners of modern medicine / science. the horrible fate of these more than brilliant/ great men was due the pure and total evils that the bible and christian/ muslim so called religions PRACTICED, AS IF NOT FOR THESE MOST EVIL OF RELIGIONS, WE’D BE 500 YEARS A HEAD IN SCIENCE ETC. YET, WE ARE NOT DUE THAT MOST POWERFUL NARCOTIC OF THE IGNORANT MASSES OF A SUPER BAD DRUG CALLED RELIGION, MEANING CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM. DAMN THOSE 2 CURSES OF MANKIND.

        • Religious Idiots

          What a load of baloney.

          “miraculous and providential works of God in His creation”

          It’s called evolution over millions of years. How can you function as a human being believing anything other than evolution?

          “God is still THE measure of reality and TRUTH today…. Just read the Ten Commandments!”

          Bullsh!t of the highest degree. Just because you say something does not make it true. I can say what I believe but it could be anything. You are so brainwashed you are blind to anything else.

          • servantheart

            “How can you function as a human being believing anything other than evolution?” Comfortably well, thank you very much for asking!
            “Just because you say something does not make it true.”
            That’s correct! But, if God says something, one should listen carefully!!! ESPECIALLY YOU!!!

            “You are so brainwashed you are blind to anything else.”
            RIGHT BACK AT YA!
            YOU REALLY SHOULD READ THE 10 COMMANDMENTS! I hear it’s a best seller!!

          • nom nom nom

            The Bible is a mish mash of folklore. Not fit for purpose. If you wish to believe in fairy tales and such that is your prerogative. Good luck.

          • servantheart

            since you’ve probably never read nor would understand it if you did…. I’m sure many things in your life are folklore. Sorry you can’t understand it…. Try a tutor!

          • nom nom nom

            I have studied all the Abrahamic religions as well as the Eastern religions. I have a DPhil in Anthropology from Oxford University.

          • servantheart

            and there lies your problem. Relying on other men’s interpretation and not the actual interpretation of the text. You need different tutors. People who haven’t been educated into foolishness like those at Oxford!

          • nom nom nom

            I think one would not be at an establishment for higher education without having the ability to think for themselves. You seem to be digging yourself into bigger holes each time you reply. Are you sure you are not someone trying to make religious zealots look like idiots on the internet?

          • johnny johnston

            He is a idiot, plus a well, a jerk off like anyone who believes crap like uh duh, the earth was created in 7 days due god took some dope (meth) or it would have taken him 49 days. Since god could do anything, he also invented meth, OK, plus since he or the idiot who wrote genis said man was created in gods image, then god like us is greatly flawed, get it? I hope so, so that proves god is ridden with cancer and has 1200 types of mental health issues like the ones he created ( US) in his image does, cause we were created in his image and that does not mean just with Tom Cruise looks either OK. Man, who ever wrote all this 2000 year old unreal crap was really really high, as the Genesis fable (BS bible story) has more flaws than Medicare, SSI, and Obama.

          • johnny johnston

            The bible was written in hebrew and other ancient languages that no one, not even your 249 IQ ass can properly translate into English or Chinese dude. Being the smartest idiot on this post, you should know these fine details. Only your not so smart, like you think. I am, but the difference between you and i, is I don’t believe in magic that 99% of all religions are based on. Also, their are only some hebrew sea scrolls written about this era. Even the Romans who were meticulous keepers of records, have no data on any of this christian stuff except the lions told the Romans they were damn good eating. So, just read a better book of fiction and shut the hell up, please! Savvy!

          • johnny johnston

            Look Einstein, just google evil Then you’ll learn what you were not taught in your sunday school BS lessons, as their are 11 pages of verses from the old, new and other bibles of the lord ordering the murder of babies, entire villages, and anything else (human) he was pissed at, like those he created by witch craft like man made from from the dirt, you ignorant, self serving, believe any magical, supernatural crap thrown in your smug and brainless head like anyone who believes BS written by 30-49 old fools whose ideas of life they dreamed up and said, “Hey boy, now you listen up, as this crap is the real deal, 1000 years before magic man allegedly came along and feed 500 people with 2 fish. Only those 2 fish were whales! So that lie was part truth..

          • Tina Klein

            Whales are mammals, not fish. So, the fish story is a lie like everything in the,religious, fairy tale books.

          • Deeshon

            Hey little Johnny, that shitty website of urs is total crap. I accept the facts in it is true, those incidents really happened in the Bible but most of the conclusions the web maker has brought forward r some really damned miscalculations. For ex :

            There is a fact of a person named Jephthah who promised to sacrifice the first person that comes out of his house to greet him after the war, yeah this incident is indicated in the bible, and as it was his daughter, he sacrificed her. All these r true. But here is the miscalculation : GOD DID NOT ORDER NOR ASK FROM JEPHTHAH TO SACRFICE HIS DAUGHTER NOR DID HE ASK FOR A SACRIFICE. IT THE OWN WILL OF JEPHTHAH. And if u know the bible well, in a book of the bible called “Leviticus ” God says that he detests human sacrifices. The case in this scene was that Jephthah “PROMISED” that he would give the first person that greets him as a sacrifice. But, still God detests human sacrifices, that why God brought forward the fact that the human to be sacrificed (God never asks for human sacrifices in any circumstance, yet is someone promised a human sacrifice , without the acknowledgment of God of this is what they r to do) can be replaced by an animal for the redemption of that human.

            And if God so likes sacrifices why did he put an end to them in the New Testament. The sacrifice of animals ( basically lambs) was done to ask forgiveness for the sin of people. And after Jesus’ sacrifice we no longer do sacrifices that’s because we gain forgiveness to our sins through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

            If u want more of these miscalculations explained just send me a reply, no worries, if u want I will show u the truth about all those false prophecies in the so called EVILBIBLE.COM. So don’t think twice little Johnny, no need to be shy…

          • Lestat

            Did Jesus walk on water? If so, how did he achieve this feat?

            There is currently no proof that Jesus ever existed. I would like you to prove to me right now that he did exist. You must give me verifiable evidence.

          • Rufus Wallaby

            The ten commandments were designed by Jewish leaders to control other Jews, it’s basically that simple. The god of the old testament was really portrayed as a jealous monster, if you step out of line you will be exterminated or was it stoned, the end result would be the same.
            Maybe the Jews needed this sort of control by their leaders in order to keep them from running amok. If you read the 10 commandments carefully you will find it refers to nomadic tribal people which is what the Jews had always been millennium past.
            From what country do you hail from ? sounds like there was a good deal of brain washing from your ancestors happening there. Maybe the US perhaps ?

          • juan equis

            He’s just another religious zealot / retard, So forget his brain dead mind, as if he ever had one. he’s a typical, delusional mentally ill nut case, as all religious freaks are in the back of their brainwashed gray matter. The sad fact is, if your not raised a religious freak,(brainwashed) then you’ll not be one. I was raised a S. Baptist (the worst ) but inherently knew that screaming, raving fool was nuts by age 9, and that was it for me and church. Then I became educated, also enlightened, studied religion in college and had a rational brain. so I was cursed with the narcotic called religion only the weak / blind minded need. Only many are not blessed with a rational mind, and therefore need psychotropic drugs to think straight.

          • Rufus Wallaby

            The sad fact is many can’t align themselves to the fact the life here is the only life you will ever know. This is why religion was invented by leaders and as a by product they had a mob control built in. If you say to a mob that is behaving badly that you are endangering your after life than they might think about their actions with a little more care.
            Now days of course we tow the line because we don’t want police to shoot us or arrest us and spend time in prison. Remember back 2000 years ago there were no police forces only armed Roman soldiers to keep order in the provinces and major cities.
            There are a lot of people out there who cannot handle living a life without the promise of an after life. To me they seem greedy, you live the life you have as productive and as happily as you can without taking from another persons enjoyment of life, this is only fair play. To yourself be true and treat others as you would have them treat you, unless of course you are a masochist.

        • juan equis

          First you need to take World history fool, as the catholic church would burn you alive during the Dark Ages, 1100 AD-1500 plus AD. for ANY TYPE OF SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH AND CALLED IT HERESY. THAT INSANE behavior set science back due it ran into the renaissance period, where Galileo, De Vinci, and other great scientist made great leaps forward.
          Your talking of the modern area jerk off. So, get your historical dates, facts correct before talking trash as in giving bogus info.

      • John

        13:16-17 “And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:” “And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.”

        Science is that of the Beast. Soon there will be no choice but to take the mark in order to live and conduct commerce. Christians must not take the mark as it is the sign of Satan. Do not take the mark and do not worry Jesus will protect you. If you take the mark you forfeit eternal life in heaven. You have all been warned. The Antichrist is coming.

        • juanequis

          Please take your meds you schitzo, bible thumping moron. Wait, even morons have to have something that is called a brain, so fix yours OK befor you end up in a cult.

        • Reid Hampton

          So science is also from the beast, huh? How about your ignorance, where does that come from?

      • Greg Terkanian

        How nice of John to provide you with a live example of what religion can do to a previously assume sane mind. Wow.

    • Eitan Blumin

      Welt you poor sod. By making that argument that you just made, you are comparing science (man-made) to religion (CLAIMS to be god-made). Therefore you also agree that religion is man-made (which is EXACTLY the point of this article/research).

      OF COURSE scientific writings only occur within a very limited period in human history. It’s because science is MAN-MADE. They see the same thing in religious writings – therefore it’s also MAN-MADE. That’s the whole point.

      • juan equis

        Yes indeed.

    • Rufus Wallaby

      Man is an analytical creature, the natural world has always existed but man has over the last 150 years or so just coming out of the darkness of a religious past. We have a long way to go and many of the things we consider now as certain will be proved wrong as man progresses learning about the physical world we live in and the very real nature of the universe. To be able do this we have to shrug of religions that hold us back and have done so for millennium. The task ahead is to except we are just an highly developed animal with a biological body with a use by date. This life here on earth is the only existence we will ever know except that as fact, nothing lives forever. Even this earth has a use by date and as I suspect so do all things that exist in the universe.

      • juan equis

        You can blame the catholic church for holding back all sciences for 500 years while your at it. It was not called the DARK AGES for nothing, where you’d get skinned or burned alive if you dealt in science. As those religious psycho freak bastards, called it heresy. So blame that EVIL catholic church / RELIGION for the untold horror it rained down on the poor masses for over 500 years. Now they’ve evolved into child molesters due god had rather they sodomize young boys due they are prohibited from marriage, when around 600 AD plus, they were not. So chalk up another nightmare religion has caused mankind, plus ISIS.

    • HMS

      God won’t very well inspire a written text before the development of a written language, will he?

    • juan equis

      1st of Einstein there are matters called sciences, philosophies, astronomy, mathematics, geometry, trigonometry, that all were mostly developed by the Greeks. Just to mention a few of the more important things that allowed the human race to advance / progress, on and on. As each one of those disciplines has to progress to the next level, as we were not born with a laptop you idiot. It, like all inventions come after thousands of years of higher mathematics, chemistry etc. Your question seems to lead me to believe your slightly retarded due such a stupid remark / question, as the old saying goes, “Rome was not built in a day”. Oh, the romans invented cement for your information, and it’s very clear you need an education.

  • Partha Acharya

    Indian religions are not that stuff. Indian religions aren’t organised religions. Indian religious scripts have no time frame. They are beyond boundaries.

    • Kaiser

      That’s your belief.

  • kk singh

    Great! Must read! #Atheism, #Socialism, #BhagatSingh

  • Swati Chandra Prakash

    The only reason why our prayers or faith or belief has ever worked is because of our own mental focus. Religions that teach that something outside of us is answering our prayers are obsolete now as are such books that are the root of unscientific fundamentalism!

    • Kaiser

      You claim your prayers have worked because of your mental focus. However the laws of probability state that some of your prayers will work yet some may not. Your mental focus in achieving your goals is nothing to do with some ‘supernatural’force.


    There is only one book that is the good book figure out which one it is, that is not man made!

    • mathias

      Every Book ever written was by mankind.

      • UNKNOWN

        LOL, you think so…… I’m not going to argue with you with your slanders

        • 4peace4all

          Can you prove otherwise? If you are correct then why hasn’t a newer version be sent down with time? Why can’t we get an email from God ‘hey people here is latest version directly from me to you, don’t believe anything else?’ I am not trying to make fun, it’s a serious question. I used email as an example. My main question is why aren’t we seeing something now? Are we in such a good shape as human that God doesn’t have to look over us anymore and give us new directions (book)? Do you believe we are in such a good shape that we don’t need any help anymore?

          • UNKNOWN

            Body language, facial expressions and words that were said before changing them is part of it.

      • UNKNOWN

        The good book is written by God, Christ and the deciples.

      • UNKNOWN

        There is only one book that isn’t written by man kind, so back off!

  • Quidasempre

    religion is the worsening of the bad situation in solution of which it was invented in primitive ages where society was still centered upon the “right of the stronger”.

  • Quidasempre

    unfortunately for you, the morning star is your very “jesus christ”, as revelation “revealed”…….

  • WisdomCh2

    I couldn’t have said it better. I tried.

  • Taximan72

    Pascal’s wager. But with all the evidence since the time of Pascal, you are incorrect.

    • WisdomCh2

      For Pascal’s Wager not to be valid, you would need to disprove God’s existence, because as far as I’m aware, the outweighing of penalty for not believing in God is still greater, whether or not He exists..
      Proving God’s necessity, and therefore His existence, is easy. All you need is basic logical skill.
      Have you heard of the Argument from Contingency? The First ‘uncaused’ cause?

      • Taximan72

        Sorry, you are incorrect. Someone cannot prove or provide evidence of something that does not exist. Pascal’s wager is a cop-out for people uncomfortable with not being able to provide a valid answer. As for the Argument of Contingency, an interesting philosophical argument, and that is all.
        That is not evidence or proof, it is based on inference.

      • Taximan72

        No, the Argument from Contingency is nonsense.

      • Taximan72

        Sorry, cannot prove the existence of an entity that does not exist. How about unicorns? The Argument from Contingency is an invention of the apologists who cannot answer a question.

        • WisdomCh2

          Of course you can’t prove the existence of something doesn’t exist. No one claimed such was possible in the slightest so I don’t know where you even got that from.
          The universe requires causation, and to say it is exempt from this is to invoke just one bit of magic to explain everything else. And by the way, it will always be magic or supernatural (magic, to you, to science), because it is extra-natural.

  • skatmeister

    i have questioned religion for many years ? ask yourself this, what was it that made you believe in god ???? i think most of you (most) believe it because someone told you that`s the way it is ( family possibly )and for those of you that are lonely gives you comfort or you read it from a book ?? . to me believing in god is something you should believe in because you believe it for yourself not because you have been told that`s the way it is . or is it that saying what goes around comes around teaches us what`s really real a little at a time . just a thought . lets not give up on good people there are some left somewhere , search and you will find , and you can start to change the world today by
    believing in yourself . that`s all i have for now.

  • frank kydd

    religion is all about power control and money and in the case of muslims – sex sex sex – even when dead. Gullible and ignorant peasants were kept in check by priests for the king – by not being taught to read and in the case of Rome and the catholics that was controlled by latin reading/writing priests, Henry 8 told the pope to fuck off and made himself Head of church of England and confiscated all catholic monasteries assets. Well done Harry. However, a 7th century book of lies kept arabic peasants slaves and prayed 5 times a day to a non existent allah – total bullshit much like the old testament but told them to kill all jews and christians with the rewards of sex with little girls and boys allowed by the imams who sold certificates of bad behaviour. All scams are generous, easy to make a promise to the gullible as they cost nothing to make a promise about a non existent paradise.

    Muslims are stupid gullible morons and islam must be wiped out forever. All religions are crazy but gullible muslim men are insane if they think that dying as a martyr will give them 72 virgins in a non existent paradise promised by a non existent allah. Bonkers and so must be gotten rid of now.

    • Ben Simpson

      And yet, Frank, prayer works. I know that for a fact. Every one of my prayers this week have been answered. Monday, no. Tuesday, no. Wednesday, no. Proof!!!

      • Quidasempre

        Facts? But please…

        • Ben Simpson

          What more do you need? Another two weeks have passed and my prayers continue to be answered! The answers continue to be no, but no is an answer so I have proof of God! Amen! Praise the Lord and pass the potatoes!

          • Quidasempre

            Well, just pray in front of “infidels”: ask him, say, to convert ’em at once. If “he” will answer your prayers, it will mean that he exist. Otherwise…
            P.s.: would you like mayonese on them too?

          • Ben Simpson

            “Mayonese” is proof of the devil! Pray for strength to resist.

          • Quidasempre

            ketchup is the true proof of the evil one! it’s red!

        • 4peace4all

          I think he is being sarcastic!!

          • Quidasempre

            really? oh well, lack of emoticons methink…

      • naniam

        prayer is NOT religion-it is focused energy that we send out into the matrix and our thoughts manifest into our reality…

        • thatguy88

          Uuuummmmmmmmmmm, citation please?

  • god is real

    god is real

  • Oatmealforme

    Prehistoric people were superstitious; modern people are mostly superstitious and brain-washed starting from their earliest lives. Of course, all religions and deities are/were man-made. There have been over 10000 named deities and millions of religions (this includes all the personal and idiosyncratic) and we are to believe there is a true deity and true religion? One can understand people believing such nonsense in prescientific times, but it is apparent that most people are still inured in their prescientific state of minds. Not surprisingly these believers get extremely upset when someone challenges their beliefs in these fairy tales as I have often experienced.

  • ronnie kay

    Religion takes your money and rapes your kids, body and soul.

  • AllRight

    One of the reasons religion has hung around too long already is that it is mostly the religious people who pro-create and pass the myths along to future generations. There is a reason why churches oppose birth control… it helps insure the future of their establishment.

    • ronnie kay

      Skepticism and science grow as religion fades into the past.

  • Kail James Christensen

    ^Words of a nutcase

  • anyonymous on heree

    U counterargued nothing. You said a bunch of irrelevant false stuff. Stop wasting your time 🙂

    • Quidasempre

      irrelevant and circular, I add.

  • WisdomCh2

    Quote me where I misquoted or took him out of context, and I’ll be happy to edit my comment.

  • George Wrigley

    Religion is a ruse used to separate rubes from their money. It obviously works rather well. My grandmother could barely afford food, yet her checkbook showed she sent weekly checks to TV Christian hucksters.

    Scum, like Pat Robertson, telling an 85 year old woman who said she could no longer afford to send him money as a retired waitress living on Social Security, to get a part time job and send him the money.

    How anyone can believe these scumbags who prey on the mentally retarded, or rape little children befuddles me.

    How can people be so stupid?

    • anonymous on heree

      🙁 i hope she’s ok and keep her away from those crazy people, and pls help her, even though i’m sure u already have been helping her!

  • Taximan72

    May your made up Allah given you a million flees in your groin!

  • Taximan72

    I guess you are afraid of more intelligent people than you who tell you to question everything. When there is no proof or evidence of what you believe, but comfort and complacency. If anyone should be stoned is the people like you who are led by the nose, and express righteous nonsense.

  • Taximan72

    No, it is religious people wo make claims about an invincible entity. No one can prove something that does not exist. Understand?

  • Taximan72

    You and Leya are really fearful that what you believe is a man-made fantasy. Perhaps Harry is a real wizard as it is in a book.

  • WisdomCh2

    Hi Alice 🙂 Thanks for your careful reply. I agree on 99% of what you said, if not all.
    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: (hypothetically) If I were to ask God one thing face to face, I would ask Him, “Why is life so complex [having so many complications which makes simple absolutes difficult]?” I wouldn’t dare ask Him in reality but He knows our struggle as humans to understand the nature of things life, truth, existence etc. And yes, there are a few difficult verses in the bible, but often it takes you only to go back a passage or so and find the key to the conundrum.
    Take the example you gave, about the linens. This one is simple. You weren’t allowed to mix the fabrics because priests solely used particular fabrics for their role as priests of God. Another well known example is the hardening of the pharaoh’s heart. Did God infringe upon pharaoh’s will or something? And the answer is of course; no. If you go back only verses, you hear God mentioning that pharaoh has hardened his own heart. The way I view it at least, is, even given that the bible was inspired AND at the same time allowing for errors (although I don’t concede there are any), the book, as a collection of books from different authors, periods and geo-cultural settings etc, is overwhelmingly coherent and in agreement with other books. Many, many historical events recorded have been corroborated with modern findings in archaeology and such.

    As for me, I personally believe that I am safe to belief in God, given the current things we know to be true about reality. At the same time, I can totally understand how anyone would doubt God in the current climate of rampant humanism and secularism. Brought up thinking theists teach about a ‘sky daddy’ or ‘sky wizard’, which to any plastic, gullible mind will stick. I feel sorry for people who ‘don’t believe in God’ because it is my belief that at some point they knowingly or unknowingly pledged to themselves to believe life is possible naturally because otherwise they would be bound to the rule the only God anybody considers feasible; the Christian God.

    The bible says that people in the last days will be scoffers, ignorant of creation (that God created the world), the flood (God’s ability to and action of judging the world), and the coming judgement. To me, that’s what I see, and I tend to agree with what it predicted.

    As a side note, I personally have read no one else that spoke like Jesus spoke. The authority and relatability with which he chose His words etc. Claiming to be God Himself.

    I have had friends who have debated with me about the topic of the reality of God, evolution etc. All it takes is honesty with oneself. I mean this existence, as you alluded to, is nothing without honesty to oneself. And I honestly, wholeheartedly believe that there is an underlying quality about this universe and experience itself that just leads me to the only explanation I can rationalise, which is a personal creator of the kind the bible talks of.

    I don’t know what you believe, but I respect your intellectual honesty and may God bless you 😉

    • Alice

      Sorry I didn’t respond to this sooner…I am not very good at checking up on these things. Thanks for your reply; I currently have only hopes, but, a little more peace of mind. Hope your day is going well.

  • DJ Khaled

    U smart U loyal U Indoctrinated U Think inside the box The key to success is to break down that box and be free

  • Anonymous

    Why don’t u people see the beginning of all this.How it all started..

    IDK much but just wondering how the entire thing is based on the fall of man and woman from some mysterious land of garden and their sin created the entire lineage of mankind, which is where the religion and evolution concept as explained in science go away from each other despite the saying that many things in the books could be scientifically explained !!!

    Also the religions originated from the same place have the same concept of god and the same history regarding the concepts , with just a lil bit of modifications whereas entirely different location of the world have the whole other concepts about god in the same time period.

    When people collectively start looking at things, they probably wonder how the entire system is fooled by just some concepts or notions about something they called god and religion started a long long ago.

    well obviously you will never know just sit and wonder how the entire system is made,who is right or wrong or you just live ur life the way which keeps u happier with all the positiveness which is what i think the “GOD” who created all the things might be wanting..YESS to live !! Thats why god created u in this world if thats how u want to put this.. not to cry and bitch about others religion or others thinking of god.

    And ofcuz more than 90% chose their religion and GOD by their birth. not by choice.So don’t JUDGE others.MIND UR OWN PLATE. Let others eat what they wish or what they like..



    hui hui hihi ( with a grin and wink ;))

    Lots of love

    take care

    • anonymous on heree

      but there isn’t any “god” like u’r saying, i mean like… idk u just sound irrelevant but thx for being nice lol and care to u tooooooooooooo umm

  • Sean Adams

    Religion is the reason for the holocaust (just saying).

    • Will Good

      To the Admins of the webpage: You hate truth don’t you, you one-sided, truth censoring and suppressing, cowardly deceptive shills? You wouldn’t allow my comment to be posted, because it’s true… Way to be just like the people you claim to be exposing… Hypocrites!

  • John

    Add feminism to that list of control mechanisms.

    Religions are basically a means for men to control women. i.e. Women need to get married before having sex and in return they pay for their offspring.

    Feminism is a way for women to control men i.e. It allows women to have sex and children with more desirable men and then have the other men pay for those children through government entitlements.

    It’s all rubbish.

    • Emman

      “Religions are a means to control women” ok what of atheism? A means to control those who believe different than i do?

    • Ominous

      no. thats like saying that racism is just a way to make sure that white people aren’t mean to any other race and its cause is specifically designed to control white people -.-

      • John

        Racism is the act of being mean. I suspect you mean racial activism.

        Well it is.

        The question is whether that is right or wrong. I don’t think there is anyone that would question civil rights or feminism was a good thing in the 1960s to help establish a color or gender blind society. There’s a lot of people that question whether it has a need today or is it’s main aim now to control white men and to take unfairly from them.

        I suspect personal bias will determine what side of the fence you sit.

    • anonymous on heree

      feminism hasn’t always been like that and as of now feminism isn’t that necessary anymore and the type of feminism u’r talking about isn’t even feminism lol but ok

      • John

        I’m sure when people say similar things about their religion they get the same response.

        But true doesn’t believe in that or want to do that and of course I follow the true . 🙂

        Whatever feminism was supposed to be and I agree it was an important and needed movement it has long since morphed beyond what it set out to do.

  • Leya

    EXACTLY, there is no way this ‘research’ took 5 years too, cz its full of fallacies

  • Leya

    There is no possible way you took five years to write this “research”. All of your points that you think ‘prove’ religious books are man-made don’t seem to be scientific, but what you THINK. I’m Muslim, so i really disagree with you.
    Also…to answer your question of “Why would ‘God’ write anything anyway?”, from a Muslim’s perspective, actually most religions write books to urge people to the right path, and to make them succeed in life. That is one reason, but there are many other reasons as well.
    In addition, why would you discuss such topic, whether its man-made or made by god, they benefit us anyways. So it doesn’t really matter who wrote them. Also, it’s all about beliefs, there’s nothing you can prove 100%. I personally believe its not man-made, when you believe the opposite, there is no need to attack.
    Using words like ‘nonsense’ and ‘sham’, are really disrespectful and irrelevant when it comes to such serious topics.

    • planktomacro

      “they benefit us anyways.”

      Religion only brings hatred, division and war to the world. As for its benefits the only people it benefits are those who use the brainwashed subjects of religion to create chaos and disorder.

      • frank kydd

        A Pope in the vatican has existed on 3 basic lies for a long while raking in a billion dollars a year from gullible catholic peasants, much gold in thousands of churches with fake religious artifacts kept in an air conditioned museum – guarded by swiss soldiers in floppy slippers while priests bugger little boys all for a non existent god.Religion has a lot to answer for – but the pope will only excommunicate you (whatever that means ) but the crazy muslims will execute you for being a non believer. Muslim men are dangerous morons and need to wiped out asap.

    • Taximan72

      The problem is people like you. Ever hear of Pascal’s wager. Religion is man made, and human have invented 3000 + . You have no evidence or proof to show that a god exists. People continue to make claims about a god by using all types of slogans, but that is not proof or evidence. What is the real benefit anyway. If you are a good person, you will still be good. If you are good because you may be punished, then you are not a good human being. Yes it does matter who wrote these texts.
      You go tell that to the thousand fleeing to Europe right now. So you see Leya, religion does not show the right path. For some it is a path to an early grave. Your fellow man is more important than some invincible entity that was made-up.

      • blecch

        Yeah but the proof is that she just ‘feels’ it man…..
        Logic and reality will only fall on deaf ears, I suspect.

  • Royal Conquest

    of course it is. People can either try and have an engaging dialogue because the opinion piece raised a few interesting points of discussion, they can circle jerk it and use it to prove how correct they are to themselves or they can freak out in fear that their own opinions are being opposed and strike out. I personally prefer the first one but you know how people are.

  • WisdomCh2

    So is math. So is science. So is literally every conceivable concept.

  • TOD_Brown

    Smoke a reefer and get stoned yourself bumpkin, you need to change out of your troll costume and put your pyjamas on for the mosque you sniff arseholes in.

  • TOD_Brown

    You are related to a sneaky arab – an arab who thinks his prophet brought the world the last religion. That is what a dipshit truly is – a piss poor arab who doesn’t know his arse from a hole in the ground.

    • Subhan

      First of all you lot need to respect each others argument…
      then second.. Islam is a peaceful religion so is christianity etc. No religion in the world supports or provokes people to justify their anwsers by using violent actions… Muslims are all around the world… 1 billion muslim communities
      These terrorists not even cover 1% of the total muslim population so lets not blame an entire religion on actions of few. Tod brown you were right that why women should cover themselves if men cant keep themselves control. i’ll tell you something its in every man’s nature to have a desire discovering a women’s sexuality. Women who are not muslims find it ok…. they love having sex before marriage.. they love making porn videos and show it to our young generation that women have no respect and are bunch of sex toys for men. This is the reason why women in islam cover themselves so not even a single man( not only muslim men) can think about their sexuality and can easily cope with them. let me clear your misconception Islam only talks about respect and love. Even if stories of man made religions are true we atleast have a reason to live our lives in the correct manner. If there was no religion there would be no morality. The Quran or the Bible may be man made but let’s leave the argument about God and focus on the guidelines of a better life that are in those Holy Books and we need to respect them Even if you are an athiest.

      • Mati Adil

        Subhan, I live in a Muslim country and have first hand knowledge about the treatment of women in Islam – All the rape victims in Pakistan are girls who were HIJAB and cover themselves from head to toe – No body dares to do rape to Liberal empowered women. Forget women Islam allows child marriages and there are countless cases of child molestation and this is done by the religious MULLAS – and dont tell me that now girl child as young as five should cover themselves as Muslim men have higher testosterone level and when they see a female face they get aroused –

  • Rey

    A book is not proof that something exists…I read ‘The stickman’ but that’s not proof of a family of twigs being real…I am ready to believe in God and I am perfectly open to a magical baby…but not one shred of evidence? Ok the Big Bang is a theory that is hard to comprehend and but evolution is obvious and EVERYWHERE…its indisputable…even in mans recorded history we have evolved.

  • Anon

    The mind is a very powerful thing consider that we can create vast skyscrapers, intricate jet engines, microscopic circuit boards and space stations. All these things are harnessed from the human mind be it collective or singular. Humans have barely changed in thousands of years and neither has the human brain of which we use the same apparatus. The desert people had the same brains, but they never built the jet engine, they instead wrote stories, legends and in the case of the bible which was written by multiple humans prior to the Middle Ages describing in very simplistic terms things that could only be formulated by the mindset of people during the decline of the Roman Empire. The Hadron Collider has recreated your God, yet those who did so are not themselves Gods or claim to channel divine powers like prophets. No. Let us leave ignorance and myth behind us. Humans deserve more than lies written in man made books.

    • Evolution

      Collective knowledge evolves over time. In fact, the Christian church is now evolving via human input. There are no Gods involved in the church’s evolution to allow gays and female priests. That’s all human evolution as the bible was written by humans in the style and rhetoric of the people around at the time.

      • Emman

        are you a libtard?

        • Taximan72

          Your reply indicates that you are stupid. Must be from the southern US? Are you a fascist?

    • anyonymous on heree

      well don’t be too philosophical maybe but u kind of make sense lol…?

  • pindar

    You sound scared…

    • Emman

      nope he sounds opinionated atheists sound scared when they only bash religious people in non middle eastern countries lol

      • Gay Retard

        Those goddamn opinionated atheists having them opinions! I like generalizing groups of people too, my brother!

    • WisdomCh2

      Oh I hope I made no such impression upon you. It certainly wasn’t intended. And to dispel the false impression, I’m not scared. This comment was a critical review of the video, nothing more or less.

    • WisdomCh2

      You sound argument-less.

  • Kevin Swizzelistic Papa

    True! There are contradictions in both books (Bible and Koran)… However, those who attack Islam only and claim Muhammad did some messed up stuff fail to see that Lot did similar in the Bible, Moses, David, Abraham, among others did messed up things as well, but they still showed a belief in God was a good idea and to treat others with respect. 😉

  • McHenryGames

    “People aren’t as dumb or easily swayed as they used to be thousands of years ago” Maybe in developed countries, but in barbaric societies (like Mexico) they’re still sheep.

    • Kevin Swizzelistic Papa

      Your statement and theirs is wrong! Anyone who votes Conservative Republican would be more likely to do but Abraham in the Bible did, more likely to do what Lot, David, Moses and others in the Bible did as well. Muhammad isn’t much different in the depictions of him being a pedophile as Biblical Lot, and the others I mentioned…Neither of them were perfect, but they still encouraged others to believe in God and to treat others how they wanted to be treated…

    • Babblefist

      Hopefully the Zika virus will soon cure them.

  • Ali Nasir Wayne

    the punishment for blasphemy and adultery are same in both christianity(leviticus) and islam i.e stoning then why only Islam is targetted??

    • R.J

      Because Muslims are the ones still stoning, beheading and murdering people. You have the intelligence level of an amoeba.

      • Ali Nasir Wayne

        gtfo ignorant fool

    • Kevin Swizzelistic Papa

      True! I am trying to peacemake with others to show they don’t have much argument about Muhammad, compared to how the Bible depicts the Biblical prophets themselves..I am basically doing all this to show a belief as a Christian, Jew or Muslim is fine, as long as you don’t vote conservative Republican. If you do, at least try to better yourself by getting a great education to be able to ignore violent commands! 🙂

  • Mr steal ya wife

    are you another product of cousin marriage’s in the muslim community? im surprised an inbred like you know’s how to type a comment good job 5 stars for you

  • Mati Adil

    “We must ensure that the people who have been fooled for so long by fictitious belief systems utilised to control humans do not get too angry when they realise that what they believe in is nonsense written by humans utilising human created language. This could be dangerous for society, so we must either let them carry on believing their fiction or try to somehow support them when they realise the truth,”

  • George

    You are the World Teacher you come here and tell us that the lies of past books are false causing division and war. Do not forget the inequality. We must all share our resources when you look at America as an example which makes up only 5% of the population yet uses 42% of earth’s resources we must seek to address these inconsistencies. I say to you whoever wrote this you have awoken those who sleep who believe without question and those who always knew in the back of their minds what they were being taught by the churches and religious tricksters that lies and myths cannot be treated as facts or truth. Peace be upon you for your service to Mankind and a future of goodwill amongst men.

  • Gabriel

    No one is blindly accepting anything in the above piece. I personally read what is written in the ‘opinion piece’ as you call it and have done my own research and it makes perfect logical sense. On the other hand, there is no logic in the bible and it is obviously fabricated fantasy not based on anything that is concrete. Logic, physics, mathematics, chemistry, astro physics, medicine and biology all trump the blind faith some people still believe in the bible. That’s just a cold hard fact that people like you will never understand as you have been conditioned from birth to believe in a fictitious book of nonsense.

  • Earl

    Hello I am a creationist and I believe the earth is only 10,000 years old and man existed with dinosaurs. How do I know this to be true? Because it says so in the Bible.

    • latif

      the earth is older then 10000 years there is a lot of evidence in the form of fossils of tress and other species.

      • Earl

        Oh yeah?!?! Prove it then. and don’t tell me about carbon dating that does not tell you how old things are. It’s false. God created the earth in six days.

        • Isa Kocher

          and how long is a day without a moon or a sun?

          and carbon dating has nothing to do with it

          i’ve read it thousands of times in hundreds of translations in several languages, studied it in seminary, and what you say is absolutely not in the book of genesis or anywhere else. not in hebrew, not in latin, not in greek, not in aramaic.

          yom in hebrew in genesis means “ages”

          no dinosaurs or any species we don’t know are ever mentioned, so god does not say how long it took for it all to happen

          and then there is the rest of the universe never mentioned in the book of genesis

          and god never mentions how long it took to go from Adam to Abraham.

          that is in Genesis, not in any way what you describe: in fact the Book of Genesis says you are wrong, dead wrong.

          • Earl

            You are a charlatan and disbeliever.

            Answer: The creation account is found in Genesis 1–2. The language of the Genesis account makes it clear that all of creation was formed from nothing in six literal 24-hour periods with no time periods occurring between the days. This is evident because the context requires a literal 24-hour period. The description specifically describes the event in a manner that a normal, common-sense reading understands as a literal day: “And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day” (Genesis 1:5). Further, each sentence in the original language begins with the word “and.” This is good Hebrew grammar and indicates each sentence is built upon the preceding statement, clearly indicating that the days were consecutive and not separated by any period of time. The Genesis account reveals that the Word of God is authoritative and powerful. Most of God’s creative work is done by speaking, another indication of the power and authority of His Word. Let us look at each day of God’s creative work:

            Creation Day 1 (Genesis 1:1-5)
            God created the heavens and the earth. “The heavens” refers to everything beyond the earth, outer space. The earth is made but not formed in any specific way, although water is present. God then speaks light into existence. He then separates the light from the dark and names the light “day” and the dark “night.” This creative work occurs from evening until morning – one day.

            Creation Day 2 (Genesis 1:6-8)
            God creates the sky. The sky forms a barrier between water upon the surface and the moisture in the air. At this point earth would have an atmosphere. This creative work occurs in one day.

            Creation Day 3 (Genesis 1:9-13)
            God creates dry land. Continents and islands are above the water. The large bodies of water are named “seas” and the ground is named “land.” God declares that all this is good.

            God creates all plant life both large and small. He creates this life to be self-sustaining; plants have the ability to reproduce. The plants were created in great diversity (many “kinds”). The earth was green and teeming with plant life. God declares that this work is also good. This creative work takes one day.

            Creation Day 4 (Genesis 1:14-19)
            God creates all the stars and heavenly bodies. The movement of these will help man track time. Two great heavenly bodies are made in relation to the earth. The first is the sun which is the primary source of light and the moon which reflects the light of the sun. The movement of these bodies will distinguish day from night. This work is also declared to be good by God. This creative work takes one day.

            Creation Day 5 (Genesis 1:20-23)
            God creates all life that lives in the water. Any life of any kind that lives in the water is made at this point. God also makes all the birds. The language allows that this may be the time God made flying insects as well (or, if not, they were made on day six). All of these creatures are made with the ability to perpetuate their species by reproduction. The creatures made on Day 5 are the first creatures blessed by God. God declares this work good, and it occurs in one day.

            Creation Day 6 (Genesis 1:24-31)
            God creates all the creatures that live on dry land. This includes every type of creature not included on previous days and man. God declares this work good.

            God then takes counsel with Himself, “God said, ‘Let us make man in our image, in our likeness’” (Genesis 1:26). This is not an explicit revelation of the trinity but is part of the foundation for such, as God reveals an “us” within the Godhead. God makes man, and man is made in the image of God (men and women both bear this image) and is special above all other creatures. To emphasize this, God places man in authority over the earth and over all the other creatures. God blesses man and commands him to reproduce, fill the earth and subdue it (bring it under the rightful stewardship of man as authorized by God). God announces that man and all other creatures are to eat plants alone. God will not rescind this dietary restriction until Genesis 9:3-4.

            God’s creative work is complete at the end of the sixth day. The entire universe in all its beauty and perfection was fully formed in six literal, consecutive, 24-hour days. At the completion of His creation, God announces that it is very good.

            Creation Day 7 (Genesis 2:1-3)
            God rests. This in no way indicates He was weary from His creative efforts, but denotes that the creation is complete. Further, God is establishing a pattern of one day in seven to rest. The keeping of this day will eventually be a distinguishing trait of the God’s chosen people (Exodus 20:8-11).

          • Kevin Swizzelistic Papa

            Earl, as are you! You deny scientific math to “prove” your point…You have to use modern science to prove it REALLY only took 6 days or 6 periods, and so far, there is no evidence to support such a theory of 6 days…I believe there may be a God, but I know the Bible is BS in many areas, like the Koran also, so I’m sure God would’ve taken his time to create and perfect…

          • Earl

            You need to read the Bible mr doubting Thomas .

          • blecch

            Umm, so did god work in time zones during these days? I mean it would have been too dark to work in Europe when each day was starting in the Pacific. China would have been a bitch, I mean 1 time zone for all that ground to cover. Or did he just unroll the earth into a flattish shape so he could illuminate the whole project? Or maybe he just borrowed some massive sun sized work lights to light the whole globe up? Where did he plug the lights in, I hope he used a surge protector. Why did he need to take 7 days anyway, I mean couldn’t he just bang it out in 3 or so, considering the extra industrial illumination at his disposal?

        • Kevin Swizzelistic Papa

          6 days?! Prove that! 1 day = 24 hrs. so 6 days x 24 hrs. = 144 hrs. You really think it would have taken “God” 144 hours to create the Earth? That’s BS. He would’ve messed up some and had to recreate things afterwards. That would’ve extended the period needed to perfect the “creation”!

        • blecch

          I counted about 4.5 billion candles on the cake at Earth’s last birthday, sooo. I didn’t see you at the party actually.

    • Reason

      Then you are delusional, retarded, or both.

    • Isa Kocher

      absolutely nowhere in any of the writings in the Bible does anyone say anything like that. In fact it says quite the opposite. anybody who says it is in the bible can’t read.

    • Kevin Swizzelistic Papa

      The Bible says nothing about dinosaurs! Your mathematical skills to calculate the age of the Earth would also be false because if there were only 6 periods to create the Earth, that would have taken millions and billions of years to get through each period, so your argument is a strawman!

      • WisdomCh2

        Actually the Bible mentions at least two dinosaurs. Well, how else would you explain Job 40:15-24 and Job 4:1-34 (Behemoth, and Leviathan, respectively)?

  • Alfred K

    I have studied the Bible. We were forced to at school. I then did my own research of ancient cultures, science, physics and biology. The Bible is a book of fairy tale nonsense as this piece says it is. Any logical person of sanity could see that. I personally am interested in finding the truth and I searched in the bible and found none.

  • mason moore

    Knows more than an ignorant kid posting a half thought through comment.

    • Ali Nasir Wayne

      american pussy…gtfo.. thank god 9/11 happened and the elites were killed… only america should be bombed and raped not other countries

      • mati adil

        Grow up! and Get some education!!!

      • TOD_Brown

        Muslims are weak, that’s why they lost all of the lands they conquered in history. Yeah muslims fought against Hitler but showed no compassion for 6 million jews murdered – You sir, are just another sneaky arab who dreams of a judgement day to come. A day that will never come but in the meantime religious pigs will feast off your ignorance until the world is burned by the Sun. Religion is another word for brain death RIP Ali

      • WisdomCh2

        ‘thank god thousands of people died’, said no person who believed in god, ever.

  • mike patti

    It is easy to understand how you may think you have been duped.
    However, there are a lot of people who have much negativity to say about
    Christianity, without any significance to back it up. It is not a
    blind faith. Look at basic statistical figures related to any
    scientific discipline such as chemistry. In my premed days studying
    biology and chemistry, it was interesting to me to see in organic
    chemistry where the professor would give us the chemicals, tell us how
    long to “cook it” and how often we could not get the results. While
    obtaining a Biology minor, I found it interesting the complex interplay
    of organs being irreducibly complex (e.g., cant live w/o the intricate
    blood clotting cascade; or without a lung, or liver, etc) In fact, if
    you apply these same statistical principles to Christianity, you will
    find the odds of this faith being represented with historical accuracy
    on very solid ground. I would consider investigating the basic odds of
    just 10 heads of a coin in a row, and then think about the odds of the
    “mush” coming together to make complex organs without any

    • Lou

      It’s called evolution moron, look it up. Christianity has no base apart from belief in imaginary creatures and fairy tales.

      • michael vicente patti

        Hey, you moron…OR…LOU MORON…maybe you should take a few more statistical, biology and chemistry classes and come back when you “evolve” the other half of your brain….be careful, don’t cut yourself in the process cause then you’ll have to explain the blood clotting mechanism keeping you alive while you’re trying to mutate other organs…..micro-mutations are acceptable….get on your horse to explain macro-mutations

        • Creationism is for dummies

          Please allow me to help here.

          Examples of saltational evolution include cases of stabilized hybrids that can reproduce without crossing (such as allotetraploids) and cases of symbiogenesis. Both gene duplication and lateral gene transfer have the capacity to bring about relatively large changes that are saltational. Evidence of phenotypic saltation has been found in the centipede[41] and some scientists have suggested there is evidence for independent instances of saltational evolution in Sphinx moths. Saltational changes have occurred in the buccal cavity of the roundworm Caenorhabditis elegans. Some processes of epigenetic inheritance can also produce changes that are saltational. There has been a controversy over if mimicry in butterflies and other insects can be explained by gradual or saltational evolution. According to Norrström (2006) there is evidence for saltation in some cases of mimicry.[46] The endosymbiotic theory is considered to be a type of saltational evolution. Symonds and Elgar, 2004 have suggested that pheromone evolution in bark beetles is characterized by large saltational shifts. The mode of evolution of sex pheromones in Bactrocera has occurred by rapid saltational changes associated with speciation followed by gradual divergence thereafter.

          Saltational speciation has been recognized in the genus Clarkia (Lewis, 1966). It has been suggested (Carr, 1980, 2000) that the Calycadenia pauciflora could have originated directly from an ancestral race through a single saltational event involving multiple chromosome breaks. Specific cases of homeosis in flowers can be caused by saltational evolution. In a study of divergent orchid flowers (Bateman and DiMichele, 2002) wrote how simple homeotic morphs in a population can lead to newly established forms that become fixed
          and ultimately lead to new species.
          They described the transformation as a saltational evolutionary process, where a mutation of key developmental genes leads to a profound
          phenotypic change, producing a new evolutionary linage within a species. Polyploidy (most common in plants but not unknown in animals) is considered a type of saltation.
          Polyploidy meets the basic criteria of saltation in that a significant change (in gene numbers) results in speciation in just one generation.
          Mammalian liver cells are typically polyploidal, but they are not part of the germ line.

          Some creationists have associated Goldschmidt’s “hopeful monsters” with the theory of punctuated equilibrium, as proposed by Eldredge and Gould.
          Creationists such as Luther Sutherland claim that both theories inadvertently appeal to the absence of fossil evidence for evolution and thereby undermining the theory of Darwinian evolution. This predicament
          is used by creationists to argue that “there are no transitional fossils.” Paleontologists such as Niles Eldredge, Stephen Jay Gould, and Steven M. Stanley avoid this by explaining that transitional forms may be rare between species, but “they are abundant between larger groups”,[56] and none of these paleontologists support Goldschmidt’s “hopeful monster” hypothesis. Steven M. Stanley argued that some of Goldschmidt’s views err mainly in exaggerating the importance of “chromosomal rearrangements” leading to “rapid changes in growth gradients or developmental sequences, and on what we now call
          quantum speciation.”

          • Will Good

            WoW dude, impressive, you can copy & paste thing you actually know nothing about.. That’s a rare gift, I don’t know many who can do that.. {light, rapid Golf Clap}

            ..Bravo, sir, Bravo!

          • Will Good

            WoW dude, impressive, you can copy & paste information on things you actually know nothing about.. That’s a rare gift, I don’t know many who can do that..

            {light, rapid Golf Clap} ..Bravo, sir, Bravo! 😉

          • WisdomCh2

            Great Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V skillz bruh.
            Unfortunately this word salad (evolutionary biologists are some of the best word ‘saladists’, it has to be said) amounts to naught, and has no substance. To add to that, thee author of this must have serious, serious concentration problems. The train of thought switches and hops throughout the whole thing.

            To pick just one juicy, even;

            ‘Stanley avoid this by explaining that transitional forms may be rare
            between species, but “they are abundant between larger groups”‘

            Oh they do avoid this, do they? Yes, well, sorry. That won’t cut it. What this is precisely equivalent to saying is that transitional fossils just simply never needed to be gradual and be present between species.


            This is like your teacher asking you “What is 532-88?” and you answering “Well, there doesn’t need to be answer, per se.”

            To see so many citations and quotes and names in a piece of text so absolutely void of any substance is disappointing to say the least.

      • WisdomCh2

        It’s called Christianity moron, look it up. Evolution has no base apart from belief in imaginary events and monkey tails.

        See how this works? It doesn’t.

    • Kevin Swizzelistic Papa

      Both the Bible and Koran have loads of contradictions and errors… Both are dangerous and messed up! They also have good things in them also, I won’t doubt that…People need to stop attacking Islam only and see the log in their own eyes in terms of what they read from the Old Testament and some of what they read in the New Testament as well.

    • blecch

      Yeah but your sense of wonder anecdata about not being able to competently follow a chemistry method or simple misty eyed wonder at the complexity of biology does not really constitute good evidence that the mush requires any assistance. A one in a bazillion coin toss becomes reasonably likely when you have bazillions of bazillions of coin tosses. But I suspect you were already a believer before you encountered any of this?

  • TOD_Brown

    If I say “bomb” – you imagine an explosion. Amazing the brain with the word “god” does exactly the same. Your mind explodes with countless thoughts.
    I believe we have arrived at a time in humanity’s existance when we can understand that our brains are amazing and can acheive incredible ideas that can be physically realised – whether for good or evil – Never attribute this to the will of a deity, it is just your imagination. Believe in yourself and educate others to use their heads for wonder and forget religious guidance forever. Mankind does not need it.

    • Ali Nasir Wayne

      yeah muslims are idiot right??? idiot american

    • Ali Nasir Wayne

      yeah mankid does not need it. feel free to rape or kill anybody coz no one is watching you..the 20 % atheists should die

      • TOD_Brown

        What you are saying is that unless you believe you are being watched you couldn’t trust yourself not to rape or kill. Pathetic religious bumpkin. This is why women have to cover up in the presence of muslim men – the men cannot control their urges – even though they believe the ARE being watched – STUPID.
        Televisions have remote controls – people have self control – you seem to depend on your religion to stop YOU doing bad things – I just hope the batteries don’t run out on allahs remote control or you will be OUT OF CONTROL.

    • Taximan72

      You’re a fool. Then again, so are the vast majority of theists.

  • Claire Hanson

    I want to thank you whoever wrote this. After reading the words above and the comments below I have seen the error of the Christian religion and all organized religions. I have always been on the border line but now it is really clear to me. The Bible is false and it fooled me for much of my life this is an awakening for me….almost like an epiphany. Thank you for freeing me from this terrible chain around my ankles as I have left the prison. I have stopped attending church because as I looked around all I saw were people just playing out a role it was as if they were just doing those things because they were taught to do it and only wanted to be part of a group…like lemmings they were following blindly…and they were not aware of what they were doing. So much of religion is about following without question, and this is wrong, because ask enough questions and you see the reality…that Jesus is a myth. I have researched Christ and found in many scriptures and myths from the ancient world..there was an exact replica of the Christian Jesus. He was then assimilated into the Christian religion by those who wrote the book. It is the same of the Roman calendar and how the Christians took pagan festivals then put Jesus in there. One thing is certain many have been fooled as I was and I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart that you have opened my eyes. I am still spiritual but for myself…for science and fact, and logic and the universe, the planets. Not some human fabricated book that has caused so much heart ache and division…war…hatred..and ultimately evil. I am 40 years old and I feel as if I can see for the very first time. The road is clear. Thank you…

    • Pops

      thats a beautiful post. bless you and your life.

      • Jarhead6541

        Who, or what, exactly, would be carrying out that blessing?

        • Pops

          Me…a mere human and not any form of ‘deity’…

          • Jarhead6541

            Finally, a truthful answer. Thank you, Pops!

    • blecch

      YAY for you! Yay, YAY YAY YAY. Great to hear. See? That’s what a bit of critical thinking can achieve.

    • WisdomCh2

      This won’t wash with God. Enjoy convincing yourself on a minute-by-minute basis that you don’t believe in God.

  • Gabriel

    The bible can have a billion pages, or ten trillion, it is still just a book written by multiple humans on pieces of paper with ink. If you hear a voice telling you to do things in your head you are probably schizoid or schizophrenic. If the voice tells you to take your son up a mountain and sacrifice him to their god you are probably having a psychotic schizoid break down. If you see angels everywhere you are hallucinating. The bible is a fabrication. Nothing in the bible is true and your brainwashing has conditioned you from birth, through your parents, your grandparents and the churches.

    There is no hope for you.

  • John Taylor

    Why organised religions do not hold up to scrutiny and are teaching false lies to people.

    Make an observation or observations.

    1.Ask questions about the observations and gather information.

    2.Form a hypothesis — a tentative description of what’s been observed, and make predictions based on that hypothesis.

    3.Test the hypothesis and predictions in an experiment that can be reproduced.

    4.Analyze the data and draw conclusions; accept or reject the hypothesis or modify the hypothesis if necessary.

    5.Reproduce the experiment until there are no discrepancies between
    observations and theory. “Replication of methods and results is my
    favorite step in the scientific method,” Moshe Pritsker, a former
    post-doctoral researcher at Harvard Medical School and CEO of JoVE, told
    Live Science. “The reproducibility of published experiments is the
    foundation of science. No reproducibility – no science.”

    Some key underpinnings to the scientific method:

    1.The hypothesis must be testable and falsifiable, according to North Carolina State University. Falsifiable means that there must be a possible negative answer to the hypothesis.

    must involve deductive reasoning and inductive reasoning. 3.Deductive
    reasoning is the process of using true premises to reach a logical true
    conclusion while inductive reasoning takes the opposite approach.

    4.An experiment should include a dependent variable (which does not change) and an independent variable (which does change).

    5.An experiment should include an experimental group and a control
    group. The control group is what the experimental group is compared

  • Rayaa Rodriguez

    No one is forcing you so shut up. (Annoyed face)

    • John Taylor

      Yes, but in the past you Christians did force people. You forced them by punishment of death. Now it’s time for you to shut up you ignorant religious zealot.

  • Nabiha Ahona

    There must be a Creator. I’m sad that science has made someone an atheist. And what about the atheists? If there is no bad and no good, no haram and no halal, no sin and no good deed?Where would we be? We would be killing one another, stealing money and telling numerous lies. That makes no sense too. Then,what is the use of doing good? Science without religion is lame, and religion without science is blind. And I wouldn’t like to be a lame Person nor would I like to be blind. I’ll take both science and religion. That’s the only way to life, and afterlife. And by religion, I mean Islam.

    • Gabriel

      Religious beliefs are myths that are blindly believed by conditioned followers, slaves. There is no science in that because scientific hypothesis or processes were not utilised to prove any religious belief. If you wish to believe in fairy tales you should be allowed to do so but do not equate science with that.

      • Nabiha Ahona

        Sorry, I kind of think I offended you, and that’s something I don’t like. But thanks for being so nice even though you’re an atheist. Well, I have a humble request and also a small advice for you. Can you just search uP the net and find how and why many PeoPle, starting from non-believers to scientists,converted to Islam? Find your own answer. It’s a small request from this sister of yours.

        • Jarhead6541

          When given the choice of Islam or death, most would instinctively choose the former. Humans have an incredible will to survive.

    • Bandais

      If you would be stealing killing etc without religion, that just means you’re a shitty person.

      I have no religion, I don’t kill or steal, because that’s a shitty thing to do.
      There does not HAVE to be a creator, that’s ridiculous and something only someone who does not understand evolution, chemistry and biology could say.

      • Nabiha Ahona

        You’re not nice! Did I say that atheists are bad[don’t worry,I won’t swear at you even though you did it with me]? Did I say that atheists are fools,let alone swearing at them? So why are you calling me that word? You say,you aren’t bad at heart. That’s good, really good…But just now you have sworn at me, and swearing is something you shouldn’t do. About the creator thing,okay, I admit that evolution and science are true but tell me how were you created? And from what? Someone has to create you, right? Tell me, has science discovered how humans were created? You know, many scientists have converted to Islam when they saw the relationship between Science and Quran. I think you should, for a moment at least, forget you’re an atheist and look uP the net to find how and why millions and millions of PeoPle converted to Islam. That’s an advice and a request from this sister of yours. Sorry, if I offended you.

      • Pops

        Human emotions like love, kindness, decency and loyalty/devotion existed thousands of years before any man-made religions were concocted with specific rules for living in society. You’re right, like most things, religion hijacked that sh1t…

      • Jdd74

        You just made up own religious belief system without any foundation to back it up. their has to be a creator or otherwise we would not exist, Now the debate is whether a deity or evolution created us, but thats an even bigger subject that takes more time than a short comment to dive into.

        • Lou

          Logic is a part of the machinations of the human brain. Something you have none of.

    • blecch

      Yeah but if everyone in the world suddenly forgot about religion, I think we’d be good, we would still know how to do heart transplants and make smart phones. If everyone suddenly forgot about science, we’d be back in the dark ages, dying at 30. Science doesn’t ‘make’ atheists, you are born an atheist, it’s the growing up with people in your society indoctrinating you into your particular religion that make you Muslim, Christian or whatever and making you think you need a creator.

  • Nabiha Ahona

    It’s weird…Was I made out of…..nothing? And what’s gonna be my story? I lived and then I died and then…I was forgotten?!What about the Earth? Was everything made out of nothing? That’s a weird thing. That makes no sense.How can anything be made out of nothing?

    • Gabriel

      No you were not made of nothing. In the universe no matter is ever destroyed, therefore if you pour a cup of water onto the floor, the H2O molecules eventually evaporate into the atmosphere and come back down to earth later. All life on earth evolved from bacteria over billions of years. Evolution is proof that we came from SOMETHING.

      • Nabiha Ahona

        Bacteria? I’m made from bacteria? Weird. Anyway, Evolution is right but there must be a creator, because even the something is made from something…it’s confusing…. I mean to say that you’re saying all life on earth evolved from bacteria over billions of years, but who created the bacteria? Ok, let’s think that bacteria is made from xyz. So, who made the xyz? Ok, let’s even think that xyz is made from abc, then who’s the creator of abc? Don’t get offended,okay….

        • Gabriel

          I get your point, however the Big Bang that created the universe has something to do with things. You can call it what you want, God, the almighty etc..but the existence of something in the universe is just physical existence, we are just now learning about dark matter and black holes. The human brain is predisposed to see patterns in things, however to study the universe, one must first understand chaos. Religion is a man made interpretation of something, there were no gods involved in writing on a piece of paper…this is the folly of man, who needs something to believe in.

        • blecch

          Yeah classic chicken and egg right? You are considering the universe as Newtonian, and it just isn’t, sorry.

      • WisdomCh2

        Grab something in your immediate vicinity. Squeeze it, hard. Tap it against the wall. Scratch it. (Disclaimer: Make sure the windows are shut, so no one thinks you are insane)

        Where did that ‘stuff’ come from? Before the universe began to exist, it was nothing. So what caused the ‘Big Bang’ to occur, if there was absolutely nothing?

  • Rayaa Rodriguez

    YOU may think you have everything but some of you, NO? Why? Why is it great to ignore God and accept fhe devil? It is clear in what you say that you accep tthe devil?Your really don’t understand the The Bible because God reigned in the prophets who wrote their book compiled to it. Of course the prophets are man! But God reigned in them and chose them to share his love and provided them with what they should say. We can accept God who is ‘Love’ by praying and following Jesus Christ and by accepting his disciples and the other prophets you wrote the book but the book was in the Knowledge of our Lord. The Bible is different from any other books.

    • Gabriel

      That’s your belief. It is a thought process which you were forced to believe since you were a toddler. You have been conditioned to believe that, and it will be hard for you to awaken from the severe brain conditioning you have received over the years.

      • Nabiha Ahona

        Well, sorry for replying on a Christianity based comment although being a Muslim, but you know, there are many People who are from different religious beliefs but they wanted to know the truth, so they converted to Islam[Please don’t get offended, it’s the truth]. The universe wasn’t made itself, so atheism is wrong, obviously. Christianity says Jesus is the son of God, and therefore, he’s a God himself. But does a God need to sacrifice himself to save human beings. You know, Jesus is a Prophet, he never told you to worship him, because no human deserves to be worshiped. Buddhism,well Buddha even didn’t say anything about God. I don’t know why our ancestors translated good humans as ProPhets, and ProPhets as God. Don’t get offended, ok…

        • Kevin Swizzelistic Papa

          No that’s not true…There are verses in the Bible that suggest that Jesus was not God like John 14:28 and Matthew 24:36…Those show that Jesus is weak compared to God..John 10:30 and Philemon 2:5 show Jesus to be God.. Matthew 28:18 and John 3:35 show Jesus to be All-Powerful, whereas Mark 6:5 show Jesus to not have much power or little at all!

  • just a girl

    MAN not woman authored these religious books. This fact alone should leave women feeling betrayed and lied to. MEN ARE THE ONES STARTING WARS. Women could not vote, were not head of household and lost everything in a divorce. Men call all the shots and still do or we would have had female presidents long ago. Men cannot understand this because they never have had to read a bible authored solely by women or not be allowed to vote, or not be able to receive all the property in a divorce. How many of you men would go to church services or even read the bible seriously if God were personified as a Goddess a woman and how much better off would this world be if instead of a GOD there was a Goddess who sent her only begotten daughter to preach love and forgiveness but in the end not be crucified on a cross, she would sit high on a throne. What if she If she taught men to love rather than slaughter other religions, nations? The Bible, Quran, Book of Mormon, all had the same rules whether it was old or new testament it was the same GOD. The light of life and eternity is pure love. This God you men conjured up messes with people’s minds and is contradicting. It has caused women to not pursue goals and to forgive abusers over and over because after all no one could possibly be suffering the way “Jesus” did. We are to read JOB. This is what crazy making is. The fact is how all of the Bible originated and you cannot erase that.
    Unmarried women were not allowed to leave the home of their father without permission.

    Married women were not allowed to leave the home of their husband, without permission.

    They were normally restricted to roles of little or no authority.

    They could not testify in court.

    They could not appear in public venues.

    They were not allowed to talk to strangers.

    They had to be doubly veiled when they left their homes.

    • Pops

      Women have always ruled from behind the scenes, and don’t tell me wars are always created by men, it’s usually men being egged on by women or men trying to impress women. Pussy rules.

      • Daniel

        Most wars have been fought for women. So true.

    • WisdomCh2

      Don’t play that card, as if women are some incapable, shy little children. Women have always had the capacity to start wars. Hell, do wives not play any role in what their husbands do?

      Besides, how does evil men have anything to do with the veracity of the bible? Moreover, how does God, or His follows, if they were to be evil, have anything to do with His existence?

  • Steve Andreasen

    Religion is a cognitive creation by humans from subjective observational data that has been misrepresented or misunderstood due to a lack of knowledge concerning the functions of our universe. It is not real.

  • Archaeologists

    The Quran describes wormholes in its text. Wormholes were used by angels to travel quickly. And in the night journey of the prophet he used a wormhole to ascend to the heavens thus the name Maraaj. Maraaj is the singular version of the word Mareeaj which means wormholes in Arabic

    • D.J

      Please I am interested. What does the angel Gibral look like? How did he speak with Mohammed?

      • Nabiha Ahona

        I hoPe you’re not being sarcastic…

      • WisdomCh2

        Firstly, I doubt Muhammed ever spoke to Gabriel. Second, angels do not have a form, but appearances. That is, spirits don’t look like anything per se. When they appear, they assume human forms, often in white robes. They don’t actually ‘look’ like anything. For example, why would an angel need teeth, which are for eating, or other parts. Or even two eyes, if the only reason we have two is to allow for binocular perception of 3-D space.

    • Anon

      This is how religion evolves people! It’s never going to die!

    • just a girl

      Why would all of the sightings and miracles all be happening back then and not now. Why would God hid himself? Seriously God wiped out the planet with a flood because everyone was BAD even babies? All those animals fit on a boat and were fed exercised. Who on earth wrote about Adam and Eve. They didn’t even know how to write much less save everything. How can anyone tell these stories if Noah is on a boat? This is worse than Mythology.

      • WisdomCh2

        Whoever said people didn’t know how to write, needs to learn some history and have a look at some ancient tablets.

        Who says there aren’t miracles in recent times? There is a whole, long history of saints, right from the time of Christ to VERY recently. I myself am witness to one miracle, which I and my whole family experienced. That isn’t an evidence for you, but for me. But the point is that miracles did not stop at Christ. Even He said, they would continue after Him, and be even more wondrous than the ones He worked.

        God is PLAINLY, BLINDINGLY seen by what has been made. The whole universe is orientated for us – humans. Life is orientated around us. And this isn’t hubris, this is clearly a fact of existence. All the diversity of life, fruit, flowers, all the wonderful creatures? The beautiful scenery and mountains, deserts, sunsets and you attribute this to what? You insult God! If you only knew the mechanism responsible for life, you would literally cry in awe. Even touching the basics of DNA transcription and the system responsible for knitting you together in the womb is a story of our Creator’s divine wisdom and love.

        The main reason people don’t believe in God (the _main_ reason) is that they hate the authority He has. If God was a stand-off God with no power or authority, people wouldn’t have reason to come up with theories to substantiate and satisfy them enough to live atheistic lives, so they can be the God of their own universe (which we are only seeing the start of). Any infants killed in the flood were actually being saved from the cruel, horrible world that would unfold, had God let that wicked, sinful generation live on. The same with the other killings in the bible. The cities (and their people) killed in the Old Testament were vicious child sacrificers, who, if God didn’t intervene, would have continued on and taught their children to sacrifice and all the rest of their horrible sins. God has enough, and judged them rightfully, and justly. And children killed, in any circumstance, if they are innocent, will be in eternal joy when they die. They aren’t being robbed of anything, if their mortal life was to be child sacrificers or victims of child sacrifice, were they?

        It is a misconception that all the animals of the world today and throughout history need to have been brought on the Ark. This is a misunderstanding of biology.. Much like you can have many different breeds of dog (and we do), there needed only to be a prototypical type of animal to be the ancestor of all dog type of animals (it may have been a wolf). Horses and zebras are probably the same core animal, which have varied according to their different habitats and climates. Thus, only a subset of today’s animals need have boarded the Ark, without a problem. The Ark was HUGE, and the dimensions were given directly from God Himself, so we know this. The bible also says that ever living thing was vegetarian before the flood, but God put a curse such that animals would now eat each other, and we were to eat them as food, also. This only happened after the flood, so dietary needs of the animals weren’t too varied, and didn’t involved meat whatsoever.

        It is unknown who exactly wrote about Adam and Eve, but if they were inspired, or direct descendants of Adam and Eve (which they would have been anyway), they surely had a written or oral tradition recorded sufficient to write this account.

        “How can anyone tell these stories if Noah is on a boat?” I don’t understand. Are you saying Noah needs to step foot off the Ark in order to write words down?

    • Den Flip

      Ok, please stop there for a second. So you are saying that a wormhole is mentioned in the Quran. This is like saying smartphone is being used in the Quran. People those days could never have known that word.
      So; A: you are given an arabic word an explanation which is just an
      interpretation of someone with a lot of imagination.
      Or B.: your just lying or trying to bend the truth.
      I suggest to do some honest and unbiased research and the “truth”
      will come to you.

  • Archaeologists

    The Quran is perfect. If you want proof I can give it to you. Now I am not a scientist, but I have studied every religion and all I can say is Islam is the most accurate i have seen.
    The verses of the Quran are eloquent and so precise in what they describe that I was left amazed.
    The first proof I can give to you is the fact that Muhammad was in literate so there is no way he could’ve come up with something like this. He couldn’t read or write so too come up with the process of how babies are made in a woman’s womb with such accuracy in a time they didn’t even have microscopes is totally mind blowing.
    Please read the Quran.

    • Real Ist

      So says hearsay

    • just a boy

      Hi I like your you wanna go meet up somewhere? I’ll show you a good time. I like chicks who can think. If you reply I’ll give you my email. C’mon… 🙂 xxxx

    • Steve Andreasen

      Well said.

    • Anon

      – “The first proof I can give to you is the fact that Muhammad was in literate”
      That’s not a proof it’s a statement.

      – “most accurate”
      Try not associating with a religion. I guarantee precision!

      • Nabiha Ahona

        Ummm…there were many People around to see that Muhammad was not educated. No one even suPPorted him when he first said his words about Islam. Later, he gave Proofs to everyone and then only some of them believed whereas others said Muhammad was a magician or he was doing sorcery.

    • Nabiha Ahona

      I think you hate religion because you think it’s created by men. In conclusion, you hate men more than religion—Don’t get offended, dear sister.

    • WisdomCh2

      I’ve read parts of the Qur’an and what I’ve read is so evidently human. In fact, I’ve challenged people to read the Qur’an and contrast it with the bible, to see how human the Qur’an is, and how clearly inspired the bible is.


    As an intellectual, who’s human mind works like a computer program at times i have analyzed 300+ comments thus far, and formed an hypothesis that indeed leaves a great deal of room for a creator. However, just not that one mankind created from out of any of them religious books thus far….OK

    Today it is now feasible to accelerate via LHC heavy particles to within 99.999 of the speed of light to temporally open-up a weak wormhole in deep space via CERN’s primitive form of Time travel? Yes, therefore, it is also safe to assume that this world indeed had a creator like the folks whom designed the LHC. However, this creator must have an incredible amount of knowledge in all forms of physics.

    If there is no creator then we must rely 100% on evolution which works by mere chance. Therefore, this form of creation is not in the least perfect, and will by mere chance make quite a few mistakes when doing it’s thing….

    Think about that one word as that not so perfect evolution creates our Earth…

    First, forming this planet with just the right kind of enter core is a most crucial first step in supporting all them organic lifeforms that may come a few million year later.

    Secondly, now this same not so perfect evolution needs to give this new world a life supporting atmosphere that can also block out any deadly ultraviolet rays from the Sun? Oops now were did that Sun thing come from? It’s millions of miles away and just at the right distance? How convenient! Great now whatever lifeforms this not so perfect miracle of evolution can create, will not freeze or burn up on this new world. Get the idea???

    For all things do indeed need a creator, for they can not create themselves. Even we godlike scientists some like me with photographic memory capabilities can’t create anything from nothing, no that is impossible. Even if i needed to create some new form of life in a lab, this first requires some building blocks a.k.a DNA via the blueprint of all life on this planet, GET THE PICTURE???

    100% convinced we indeed had a creator or creators, just don’t believe any kind of god would be on that same primitive level such all those religious characters found in all those outdated books of stories and such….

    • brad

      their is a God Creation and evolution are both true.but this does not prove any organized religion. Atheism and Religion are both bad. holy books do have some good data. religious rules and customs are not true. devils and demons are not real. the earth is not going to die.

  • Ali Khan

    This is what they come up with? I’m a science person myself and a believer and this is just non-sense that is frankly very subjective unfortunately.

    • Hino

      If You’re a science person please explain yourself. What are you talking about?

      • Ali Khan

        They talk about how “all” religious books are man-made yet they never once talked about the Holy Quran, which is God’s own written material as it contains no flaws or mistakes. God even Himself challenged anyone to prove Him wrong by actually reading the book and then coming to a conclusion which these scientists failed to mention.

        • Hino

          er..How did God write a book? If you’re a scientist. How is this physically possible?

          • Ali Khan

            Did you not read my last comment? I said that it contains no mistakes or flaws. The proof is in the writing itself. You might as well read as I am to find out about this.

          • Hino

            “It has no mistakes or flaws” ? How do you come up with this? That’s purely your personal point of view. The proof is not in the writing. Those are just man made blots of ink on paper. Could have been written by anyone. It is written in the Arabic rhetoric and style of nomads a thousand years ago.

          • Ali Khan

            I do not my friend. I too have researched upon it. The book even openly challenges all doubters too and so far none have been able to prove it wrong. I suggest you start reading it for yourself instead of criticizing me for no reason. Yes it was written a thousand years ago and its writing is still intact. Amazing isn’t it?

          • Hino

            I just proved it wrong. It is physically impossible for any imaginary entity to write a book. That’s proof right there. And furthermore, what is the metre for perfection? There is no metre for perfection and just because someone proclaims something as perfect does not make it so. If you were really analytical, logical and scientific you would know that. To believe something blindly is a form of brainwashing, and dangerous to boot. I wish you well in your quest, and maybe you may one day wake up from your sleep and become enlightened. Peace be upon you.

          • Ali Khan

            I stopped when I read “Imaginary entity”. HAHA! Surely you can’t be this blind to know that your own existence or birth was a blessing, itself. As I told you, the proof is in the writing. Give it a chance my friend and then you’ll see. Don’t just jump to conclusions like that. It’s not scientific.

          • Hino

            Yes, a blessing of natural evolution. Read up about it, if you are a scientist as you say you should know that all nature evolved over millions of years.

          • Ali Khan

            As a scientist I am more devoted on facts and not fiction, which is a theory like evolution.

          • Goatflap

            You are not a scientist if you call evolution fiction. I hate liars like you…Flaw number one in the crappy Quran…it calls for murdering other people…the end. You and your religion are pathetic.

          • Ali Khan

            Theory is just an assumption which is otherwise fiction and not fact because it can never be proven. You’re the one full of flaws yourself, I mean seriously? “it calls for murdering other people”, where did you write that from? Isis? Cause it certainly isn’t in the holy Quran. But this is; “killing one person is like killing all of humanity” in surah 5:32, fact, which God Himself forbade us to do unless of that person has committed murder themselves, even still He told us never to transgress by pursuing a barbaric path.

          • Goatflap

            You are such a liar…you claim to be a scientist yet you do not even know what a scientific theory is….I find people who cannot use the truth to support their point of view to be some of the most pathetic people on the planet. Google the definition of a scientific theory and post it here. It is so obvious you have never even read all of your idiotic holy book. Quran (2:191-193) look it up. I can find at least 100 more verses…how about you read your book one time through then get back to me.

          • Ali Khan

            You know I find it rather appalling when people claim they can prove someone wrong by claiming that they have read it, when they’ve actually not.

            The verses that you quote are towards those oppressors that target Muslims during the holy months of Mecca.

            In case you missed out it specifically starts with “And”, which means there is a verse before that and if you look you will see that the verses that precede it are Surah 2:190: “Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.”

            It says “fight those who fight you”, meaning self-defense and not unjust killing.

            and BTW Surah 193 ends “But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors.”, which means that we should show them mercy as soon as they give up their oppression towards innocent people.

            Shows what you know about the Quran besides taking bits and pieces out of it, just like one who only presents conjecture. Next time, do not leave anything out.

          • Hino

            Self defence is an honourable and just concept. It has been applied by man since the beginning of time and is not something exclusive to religion or Allah.

          • Alex Ford

            What religion do you follow?

          • Hino

            C’mon let’s keep the discussion civil please. There is no need for aggressive attack.

          • Goatflap

            There is when you lie

          • Hino

            I know it’s frustrating. Religious people are so brainwashed that they cannot see logic or reason.

          • Hino

            I rest my case. From your answers I presume you also do not believe dinosaurs existed and you probably believe the earth is only 5,000 years old.

            Koo koo science..or in other words religious ‘science’.

          • Ali Khan

            Dinosaur bones do not equal human evolution after being “wiped out” by a meteor and you should know that.

          • Hino

            How old is the earth according to your ‘science’?

          • Ali Khan

            Nobody knows the answer to that actually, but what I know is that humans were placed generations after the existence of dinosaurs. Could be millions of years for all I can say.

          • Hino

            I am confused. First you say the Quran is a perfect flawless book with all the answers and now you say you don’t know the answer to a simple question? Look in the book.

            The oldest rocks on Earth found to date are the Acasta Gneisses in northwestern Canada near the Great Slave Lake, which are 4.03 billion years old. Rocks older than 3.5 billion years can be found on all continents. Greenland boasts the Isua Supracrustal rocks (3.7 to 3.8 billion years old), while rocks in Swaziland are 3.4 to 3.5 billion years. Samples in Western Australia run 3.4 to 3.6 billion years old.

            Research groups in Australia found the oldest mineral grains on Earth. These tiny zirconium silicate crystals have ages that reach 4.3 billion years, making them the oldest materials found on Earth so far. Their source rocks have not yet been found.

            The rocks and zircons set a lower limit on the age of Earth of 4.3 billion years, because the planet itself must be older than anything that lies on its surface.

          • Ali Khan

            The Holy Quran is the perfect book of guidance for human prosperity and reinforcement of moral values. It doesn’t include the studies of scientists of the modern era. Even so God does mention that there are object and animals of various shapes and sizes that have existed throughout generations past.

            Scientists only theoretically assume that some rocks are over a billion years old and what, but they can’t be certain of that unless they had a time machine. Not saying that they’re wrong or such but that the actual origins of their existence alludes our knowledge.

          • Hino

            In the early 20th century, scientists refined the process of radiometric dating. Earlier research had shown that isotopes of some radioactive elements decay into other elements at rates that can be easily predicted. By examining the existing elements, scientists can calculate the initial quantity, and thus how long it took for the elements to decay, allowing them to determine the age of the rock.

            The oldest rocks on Earth found to date are the Acasta Gneisses in northwestern Canada near the Great Slave Lake, which are 4.03 billion years old. Rocks older than 3.5 billion years can be found on all continents. Greenland boasts the Isua Supracrustal rocks (3.7 to 3.8 billion years old), while rocks in Swaziland are 3.4 to 3.5 billion years. Samples in Western Australia run 3.4 to 3.6 billion years old.

            Research groups in Australia found the oldest mineral grains on Earth. These tiny zirconium silicate crystals have ages that reach 4.3 billion years, making them the oldest materials found on Earth so far. Their source rocks have not yet been found.

            The rocks and zircons set a lower limit on the age of Earth of 4.3 billion years, because the planet itself must be older than anything that lies on its surface.

          • Ali Khan

            Well it is a great concept and I do admit that. But predictions can only be fractionally accurate as far as the human mind goes. Still I do not shun the efforts of scientists such as these. So it’s okay I guess.

          • Hino

            Radiometric dating provides science with a powerful tool for reconstructing our planet’s history. The idea that radioactivity could be used as a measure of the age of geologic formations was first suggested
            in 1905 by a British physicist, Lord Rutherford. In 1907 Professor B. B. Boltwood, a radiochemist at Yale University, made the first attempt to establish a geologic time scale. The invention of the mass spectrometer after World War I led to the discovery of isotopes. Not until the 1950s, however, was precise dating achieved and accepted by the scientific community. The methodologies and instruments for
            radiometric dating have been expanded and fine-tuned in the half-century since, and very accurate dating is now possible.

            Atoms are composed of a nucleus orbited by negatively charged electrons. The nucleus is made up of protons, particles with a positive charge,
            and neutrons, particles with no charge. Every atom of a given element has the same number of protons in the nucleus. Each element may have one or more isotopes. Different isotopes of a given element
            have the same number of protons but a different number of neutrons.

            Radioactive elements are unstable atoms that give off particles. Emitting these particles transforms the unstable atoms into different, more stable elements. This is called radioactive decay, and it occurs
            at a constant rate specific to each isotope of each element. The original radioactive material is called the parent; the stable product is called the daughter. The rate of decay is described by the half-life
            of the isotope—the average time an atom of a radioactive element remains in the parent state. When the half-life has elapsed, half the parent element will have decayed into the daughter element.

            Potassium-40, for example, decays into Argon-40 with a half-life of 1.25 billion years, so that after 1.25 billion years half of the Potassium-40 in a rock will have become Argon-40. This means that if a rock sample contained equal amounts of Potassium-40 and
            Argon-40, it would be 1.25 billion years old. If the sample contained three atoms of Potassium-40 for every one atom of Argon-40, it would be 625 million years old. And if it contained one atom of Potassium-40 for every three atoms of Argon-40 it would be 1.875 billion years

            Most radioactive isotopes decay too rapidly to be useful in determining age on a geologic scale. Carbon-14 dating is probably one of the
            best-known dating methods, but the half-life of Carbon-14 is approximately 5730 years, plus or minus 40 years. That makes the half-life far too short for dating material that is millions of years old. A few
            isotopes, however, do decay extremely slowly and can be used as geologic clocks. These isotopes are:

            Depending on the kind of rock studied, radiometric data can give different kinds of information. Igneous
            rock is formed from cooling magma or lava, and it contains small amounts of radioactive elements. By determining the ratio of the parent material to the daughter material in the igneous rock, it’s possible to calculate the rock’s age. As igneous rock erodes,
            the eroded particles are deposited to become sedimentary rock.

            Dating sedimentary rock by using radiometric techniques will tell the age of the original igneous rock, not the time since the sedimentary rock formed. (Although sometimes the two ages are very similar,
            for example when a volcanic explosion deposits ash on a surface and that ash is quickly incorporated into sediments. The age of the ash and the age of the sedimentary rock would then be very similar.)
            Metamorphic rock, by contrast, is formed from earlier rock through intense heat and pressure. Metamorphism can reset some radiometric
            clocks (Potassium-Argon is particularly susceptible), so that radiometric dates record the time of alteration rather than the date when the earlier rock first solidified from magma or was deposited as sediment.
            Other parent-daughter pairs are less susceptible to alteration.

            The oldest dated rocks on Earth come from northern Canada and are about 4 billion years old. Rocks older than 3 billion years have been found in many places around the planet. Moon rocks have been dated at 4.4 to 4.5 billion years. Meteorites that are left over
            from the earliest time of the solar system have been dated at 4.4 to 4.6 billion years.


          • Den Flip

            *shakes his head in utter disbelief*

          • Hino

            Imaginary. Because it was imagined in the mind of a man who then
            proceeded to linguistically apply his imagination to a piece of paper.
            The process of imagining something in the mind visually is what
            constitutes all faith based religions. These are unproven beliefs
            imagined by certain people and blindly followed by the followers of
            whatever religion is dominant within a certain culture.

          • Ali Khan

            It sounds exactly like what you’re doing right now. Thinking that man could be capable of bringing about such a perfect natural order. Certainly shows what you know.

          • Hino
          • Ali Khan

            What does a video about evolution have anything to do with your argument about “man imagining things up and passing it up as religion”?

          • Hino

            If you watched the video which I suspect you did not, you would realise that scientific analysis comes to verifiable conclusions from multiple angles concluding logical fact. This cannot be said about religion which is purely a belief of man. Faith is not verifiable. It is just something that someone believes. I urge you to watch that video.

          • Ali Khan

            “Faith is not verifiable” you say? Just where did you get this from? Do ever so explain yourself if you’ve got the right facts about it.

          • Hino

            Verify it then. I want to see verifiable analysis and facts from multiple scientific studies. If some human writes something in a book and says it is fact without verifying it, then it is not fact. All religious books were written by humans on pieces of paper with ink. They used their human thought processes to physically write their thoughts onto paper. This does not validate their writing as truth simply because they claim a God or supernatural beings exist. Where is the proof?

          • Ali Khan

            You prove it first that it is unverifiable by taking anything out from the Holy Quran and prove it false. Make such refutations without looking into things first shows how sloppy you are.

          • Hino

            I can prove it is non verifiable because there is no evidence or fact to prove it is true. These are just words from a human believed blindly. You cannot verify the imagination of a human.

            Quran Surah 2: The Cow

            Don’t bother to warn the disbelievers. Allah has blinded them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 6

            Allah has sickened their hearts. A painful doom is theirs because they lie. 10

            A fire has been prepared for the disbelievers, whose fuel is men and stones. 24

            Disbelievers will be burned with fire. 39, 90

            For disbelievers is a painful doom. 104

            For unbelievers: ignominy in this world, an awful doom in the next. 114

            Allah will leave the disbelievers alone for a while, but then he will compel them to the doom of Fire. 126

            The doom of the disbelievers will not be lightened. 162

            They will not emerge from the Fire. 167

            Those who hide the Scripture will have their bellies eaten with fire. Theirs will be a painful doom. 174

            How constant are they in their strife to reach the Fire! 175

            War is ordained by Allah. 216

            Those who die in their disbelief will burn forever in the Fire. 217

            Disbelievers worship false gods. They will burn forever in the Fire. 257

            Allah does not guide disbelievers. 264

            “Give us victory over the disbelieving folk.” 286

          • Hino
          • Ali Khan

            Correct, this is exactly what is written in the Holy Quran.

            It says in Surah 2:23-24: “And if ye are in doubt As to what We have revealed From time to time to Our Servant, then produce a Soorah Like thereunto; And call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides Allah, If your (doubts) are true. But if ye cannot –And of a surety you cannot. Then fear the Fire Whose fuel is Men and Stones – Which is prepared for those Who reject Faith.”

          • Ali Khan

            Funny how people can easily copy and paste anything from the net and act as if they know what it really means these days.

            BTW “War is ordained by Allah” is wrong, it is Jihad which He ordained which is fighting for the sake of justice against those who oppress innocent people. Sad that you would have known that if you had actually ‘read’ The Holy Quran.

            Pulling this stunt makes you a failure as a scientist.

          • Hino

            Quran Surah 3: The Family Of ‘Imran

            Those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah, theirs will be a heavy doom. 4

            Those who disbelieve will be fuel for the Fire. 10

            Those who disbelieve shall be overcome and gathered unto Hell. 12

            Those who disbelieve, promise them a painful doom. 21

            Theirs will be a painful doom. 77

            All non-Muslims will be rejected by Allah after they die. 85

            Disbelievers will have a painful doom. And they will have no helpers. 91

            Disbelievers will have their faces blackened on the last day. They will face an awful doom. 105-6

            Those who disbelieve will be burnt in the Fire. 116

            The Fire is prepared for disbelievers. 131

            We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Their habitation is the Fire 151

            Theirs will be an awful doom. 176

            Disbelievers do not harm Allah, but will have a painful doom. 177

            Disbelievers will have a shameful doom. 178

            Disbelievers will go to Hell. 196

          • Real Ist

            Amazing how you’re brainwashed yes.

          • Klambo2

            “The book even openly challenges all doubters too and so far none have been able to prove it wrong.” – Ali Khan

            Ali Khan what exactly are we proving “wrong” here?
            You can’t “prove” a negative……….. prove to me that Father Christmas doesn’t exist please!

          • Ali Khan

            Why would you bring up something as irrelevant as Santa Claus into Islam, especially when there is no mention of him at all? Matter of fact, he is not even mentioned in the Bible or the Torah, so you’re question is automatically answered.

          • Klambo2

            Ali, if you have to ask me that question then you really haven’t grasped my point at all.
            You said “prove” that the Quran is not wriiten by God………well actually the onus is on the claimaint to “prove” that in this case the Quran was written by God……..not on people to disprove the claim.
            Simarly If I said Santa Claues, the loch Ness monster, Big Foot. ET exists (Take your pick) the onus would be on ME to prove it………not you to disprove it.

          • Ali Khan

            Actually the claim was that all religious books are written by man to which I claimed otherwise when referring to the holy Quran. Some of the other books have contradictions in them and the holy Quran does not in its writings. Logically speaking, human writings consist if errors from time to time, but the Quran’s writing however does not. According to the description of God, He is void if any mistakes, contradictions or errors, therefore it is written by Him and not man. I hope this answers you question.

          • Hino

            okay go read up some more then come back..

        • Jonathan Sophrosyne

          Flaw 1: Magic is not real.

          Flaw 2: An equine animal cannot have a stride the distance of 4km per step. (The average distance of the horizon from any given observer.)

          Flaw 3: No animal can fly into space.

          Flaw 4: A human cannot leave the atmosphere of Earth and survive more than 2 minutes.

          Flaw 5: An animal smaller than a donkey cannot traverse the distance of 2143 kilometers in one night.

          Flaw 6: An animal between the sizes of a donkey and a mule could not carry a burden the weight of an average human for 2100 kilometers without resting.

          Flaw 7: Traveling that fast without a face guard would have damaged Muhammad’s eyes, up to and including blinding him.

          The Quran doesn’t seem to be as flawless as the claims assert.

        • Anon

          Please explain how a horse can fly on thin/no atmosphere?
          nvm, please explain how a horse can fly at all?
          And don’t tell me that ‘horse’ was metaphorically used.
          So tell me, how did the Prophet(saw) flew a horse?

          • Ali Khan

            It is what is written even though we can’t go back in time and see it for ourselves. Also Muhammad PBUH was a prophet who could always talk to God and spread His message so it is not for us to critique on what happened to him that day.

            And it wasn’t a horse, it was a white creature called the Buraq which was smaller than a mule and bigger than a donkey that was regarded as the heavenly steed of the prophets. So it wasn’t of earth at all. That happened in Prophet Muhammad PBUH’s life and nobody else knew of what happened that night except him. But he was completely honest and brought proof with him as well which is why he earned the trust of so many around him.

          • Anon

            Muhammad couldn’t always talk to god as far as I know. He received most of his revelations during sleep and communicated through Gabriel.
            Why was the creature/horse(what have you) needed anyway?
            Maybe the almighty needs a radio transceiver. Or inter-galactic Skype or something.

            – “could always talk to God and spread His message so it is not for us to critique on what happened to him that day”

            The message(?) is definitely up for criticism!

          • Ali Khan

            The message is in the form of the revelations that are now compiled in the Holy Quran. If there are any criticisms, you’re more than welcome to point them out within its context.

            The creature that Muhammad PBUH rode was a mysterious creature to allow Muhammad PBUH to travel to Heaven and meet with God.

            Of course the revelations appeared on several occasions to the point where it greatly disturbed Muhammad PBUH. Sometimes, according to him, they are revealed to him like the ringing of a bell. It isn’t necessary that God talks to him directly and reveals them.

            Just read the Quran and the Sahih Hadith to get your answer.

          • Anon

            Nah thanks bro. I’ve wasted my childhood on that.

          • Ali Khan

            Oh and how come?

          • Anon

            I was born muslim, in a Islamic republic country. I’ve read the whole book twice, in Arabic, a language I can only read but not completely understand. This was not my choice as it’s very common for parents to force it upon their children. Third time I got a translated version, but soon I thought about what would be lost in translation. I was about to learn Arabic used in the book but thankfully I met reason. I might be meeting it again in college though, its a government requirement.
            There are far better books I’d rather read read first.
            I don’t know how old you are, but if you’re still young I urge you to think for once without the fear or emotional attachment towards religion. Don’t look for proof, look for dis-proof. Think about ancient sun worshipers. You won’t need any books for this, only a little reason and lot of bravery. Now remember this feeling..that is if you made it thus far..
            Good luck!

          • Ali Khan

            I’m really confused. If you’re a person of reason, then you should know that nobody is born as anything in this world except as a simple human being. Nobody is Muslim, Christian, Jew, judge, police officer or anything else by birth. It is simply nurture that plays a big role.

            I am also born into a Muslim but my parents never forced me to follow Islam and neither was I very comforting to it in the first place. Overtime I was told that no one should be forced to follow Islam because according to the Quran, compulsion is forbidden. I was fascinated by this, but I just couldn’t bring myself to it yet.

            As time went by my Islamic professor not only helped us recite the Quran but also explained it to us and showed us signs and evidences in people’s behavior around the world in exactly the same way as the Quran describes them.

            Here you are talking about reason when that is what the Quran actually teaches. It doesn’t say to have blind faith or close your eyes and believe. The reason God gave us these five senses is so that we can perceive the world in the most just and transparent manner possible.

            We may not control nature, time or matter, but that doesn’t mean that we should in order to live our lives.

            I believe you giving up on trying to understand the Holy Quran is where your problem actually lies. With that in mind, you should get back in trying to decipher what it truly means to say.

            Sun worshipers are polytheists just like a modern Hindus who will call anything materialistic as a deity of divinity. Just like the Mayans, the Egyptians and more corrupt civilizations.

            Don’t just focus on mere emotions, try to get through the book with reason and clarity after breaking it down and understanding it slowly. There is a reason for everything and even the most hardcore atheists acknowledge that God does indeed exist.

          • Anon

            People are born with religion. “Christians babies” are baptised, muslim one’s get to hear azaan from stereo headphones and get circumcised soon after. Until they have enough info to think for themselves, these children look to their parents and society for understanding the world, and the parents teach..evolution is BS, blind faith or you burn eternally(but god loves you very much)! By the time they’re teenagers, they’re heavily dependent on religion.
            I don’t know exactly what you mean by “force” but you’re lucky if your parents allowed you to question their faith.

            As I said there are much better books I’d rather read.
            You depend too much on a book. If God was so reasonable and apparent, you wouldn’t need a book to find him.
            No one before and including Muhammad needed it. Why would you need it?

            God made me, loves me and can save me. But he’d rather spend his time killing children or leaving them without their parents and assign me to a place that is passionately cooked up to punish humans who were idiot enough to believe in a mortal existence.

            If your god does exist, he’s making enemies.

            I’m sorry, I am an emotional being and unable to process the above information. You might be smarter than me, idk.

            Sun worshiping is not a polytheistic religion and it represents the evolution of god very well. There is always something that intrigues mankind, something they don’t understand, god is the easy answer to pretty much everything.
            I appreciate you criticizing Hinduism and I urge you to do the same with other beliefs.

            I will consider anything you say that makes sense, but I cannot waste my time reading a book. I shouldn’t have to.

          • Ali Khan

            First off “muslim one’s get to hear azaan from stereo headphones”? Where’d you get this from? And then mention circumcision from out of nowhere? As if regular males don’t do that. You really don’t know anything about Islam, that too even the Holy Quran.

            A lot of your other stuff sounds like you just conjured it up without even having basis for solid ground.

            You’re right however about sun worshiping not being a polytheist religion, but is actually an act of idol worshiping which is still the same as worhsiping the moon and the earth. Mayans, Egyptians and Hindus partake in similar things as well.

            But if you think worshiping an earthly or other object with a particular shape for divine significance is the way to go, then you are really lost.

            I don’t wish for anything bad to happen to you, but I’m afraid you’re just being selective for the wrong reasons.

            Please give the Quran a chance, given Islam a chance, for once.

          • Nabiha Ahona

            Dear Brother, Ali Khan, you’re right, don’t get confused. I’ve been confused a million times and the conclusion was that Islam was right.

        • Nabiha Ahona

          No one is saying anything about women dear sis.

        • Den Flip

          Although you have some good arguments, you seem to be very hostile, especially towards men. Are you gay by any chance? I don’t mean to be offensive in any way, but it wouldn’t surprise me…

  • Baliol

    I have never been so disgusted by such Illuminati Satanic crap as this babbling orifice of an research. Religion gives people meaning in life and to worship God. Without that what is there? You are shamelessly spreading your anti-religious filth a pox on you and hope you burn in the fires of hell. Scum!

    You are hanging over the mouth of hell by a single
    thread, and that thread is breaking. Only a gasp for breath, only a
    stopping of the heart for a single moment, and you will be in an eternal
    world, without God, without hope, without forgiveness. Oh, can you face

    Repent your sins and join Jesus. Repent your aversion to God and he will welcome you. Repent your Satanic ways of evil pestilence and Jesus will grant you sanctuary of eternal life in Heaven.

    • donaldjenks

      Your disgust is our gain.

    • Goatflap

      Very all loving and forgiving of you to wish someone to burn for eternity. Hypocritical piece of crap.

    • Real Ist

      Fk religion seriously… you cannot think for yourselves nor wish to question anything for fear that what you choose to believe is flawed mythological human written crap that seeks to have power over others by making them conform to certain ideologies.

  • Vir Narain

    Shallow and unconvincing. The loss of faith does not come suddenly, leafing to anger. Religious faith is gradually eroded, by what Walter Lippmann has rightly called the ‘acids of modernity’.

    • Vishnu’s arse

      The Hindu religion is a base religion with numerous Gods/Goddesses nothing more than man-made idol worship. But if it makes the masses feel better let them indulge in such nonsense.

      Religion – Where all men think alike, no one thinks very much.

      Walter Lippmann

  • Isa Kocher

    nonsense. complete nonsense. unrelated to any real world.

  • Isa Kocher

    that’s not research that’s babble.

  • Baljeet Bhasin

    I do not understand why people have to prove that religious texts are scientific and why the scientists have to prove that religious texts are non-scientific. Religion and science are completely separate and should remain so. I do not see any confluence of religion and science.

    • Dr. Logique

      Religion is the belief in supernatural beings, and these people seriously believe these things to be real. If therefore you believe that Jesus walked on water and you emphatically see it happened, then it is quite right that a man of logic, reason and science would be sceptical of your belief. The occurrences in the Bible for example defy all physics, biology, chemistry and logic and yet there are people still in this day and age who believe those events occurred as clear as night and day. That is where science meets religion.

      The principles and empirical processes of discovery and demonstration considered characteristic of or necessary for scientific investigation, generally involving the observation of phenomena, the formulation of a hypothesis concerning the phenomena, experimentation to demonstrate the truth or falseness of the hypothesis, and a conclusion that validates or modifies the hypothesis.

      • Isa Kocher

        that is not what religion is.fact/ some religions have no supernatural beings.fact. in some cultures, nothing is supernatural. fact.

        religion is in most religions, giving not exploiting taking care of the poor and powerless. generosity honesty courage reliability kindness and patience are the virtues most religions ask for in people. love god love your family and your parents, don’t lie steal kill or sexually exploit anyone. what’s wrong with those rules?

        at the very least, know something about a topic before bad mouthing people.

        • donaldjenks

          You don’t need religion to be kind or care for your family. Millions of people were doing that before organised religion reared its ugly murderous head. Being kind and caring is a human thing..not religion.

      • Arturo Gisaint

        Jesus was a supernatural being and he rose to heaven after his body died. I believe that with all my heart. Jesus Christ sacrificed his life for all of humanity. I dont care if scientists don’t believe he performed miracles he did. It’s all in the Bible so I will quote the miracles Jesus performed and I challenge you to prove he didn’t do those things.

        1. Born to a virgin – Miracles of Jesus
        2. Changing water into wine – Miracles of Jesus
        3. Healing of the royal official’s son – Miracles of Jesus
        4. Healing of the Capernaum demoniac – Miracles of Jesus
        5. Healing of Peter’s mother-in-law – Miracles of Jesus
        6. Healing the sick during the evening – Miracles of Jesus
        7. Catching a large number of fish – Miracles of Jesus
        8. Healing a leper – Miracles of Jesus
        9. Miracle of healing a centurion’s servant – Miracles of Jesus
        10. Healing a paralyzed man – Miracles of Jesus
        11. Healing a withered hand – Miracles of Jesus
        12. Raising a widow’s son – Miracles of Jesus
        13. Calming the storm – Miracles of Jesus
        14. Healing the Gerasene man possessed by demons – Miracles of Jesus
        15. Healing a woman with internal bleeding – Miracles of Jesus
        16. Raising Jairus’ daughter – Miracles of Jesus
        17. Healing two blind men – Miracles of Jesus
        18. Healing a mute demon-possessed man – Miracles of Jesus
        19. Healing a 38 year invalid – Miracles of Jesus
        20. Feeding 5000 men and their families – Miracles of Jesus
        21. Walking on water – Miracles of Jesus
        22. Miraculous healing of many people in Gennesaret
        23. Healing a girl possessed by a demon – Miracles of Jesus
        24. Healing a deaf man with a speech impediment – Miracles of Jesus
        25. Feeding the 4,000 men and their families – Miracles of Jesus
        26. Healing a blind man – Miracles of Jesus
        27. Healing a man born blind – Miracles of Jesus
        28. Healing a demon-possessed boy – Miracles of Jesus
        29. Catching a fish with a coin in its mouth – Miracles of Jesus
        30. Healing a blind and mute man who was demon-possessed – Miracles of Jesus
        31. Healing a woman with an 18-year infirmity – Miracles of Jesus
        32. Healing a man with dropsy – Miracles of Jesus
        33. Healing 10 lepers – Miracles of Jesus
        34. Raising of Lazarus – Miracles of Jesus
        35. Healing Bartimaeus of blindness – Miracles of Jesus
        36. Jesus curses the fig tree with no fruit – Miracles of Jesus
        37. Restoring a severed ear – Miracles of Jesus
        38. The resurrection of Jesus – Miracles of Jesus
        39. Catching 153 fish – Miracles of Jesus
        40. The ascension of Jesus – Miracles of Jesus

        • donaldjenks

          OK I go for number 37 please Bob. Restoring a severed ear…


          While he was still speaking a crowd came up, and the man who was called Judas, one of the Twelve, was leading them. He approached Jesus to kiss him, but Jesus asked him, “Judas, are you betraying the Son of
          Man with a kiss?”

          When Jesus’ followers saw what was going to happen, they said, “Lord,should we strike with our swords?” And one of them struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his right ear.

          But Jesus answered, “No more of this!” And he touched the man’s ear and healed him.


          Did Jesus have access to stem cell technology 2,500 years ago?

        • Jonathan Sophrosyne

          36: How is a curse a miracle?

        • Klambo2

          Arturo, I’ll just stop you at No.1…….. Jesus born to a virgin……… that’s what you are told right?
          But wait……….. who would actually knew that Jesus was born to a virgin?………..certainly not Jesus himself………and certainly not any of the disciples..
          Joseph probably couldn’t be at all certain that Mary was a virgin………… the ONLY person who would know for certain that she was a virgin would have been Mary.
          So the strength of the NO.1 miracle really relies on one persons say so…………and then again would a Jewish woman really go around telling everyone of her sexual status?
          Arturo you have to admit that evidence of miracle No.1 is sorely lacking!

    • Jonathan Sophrosyne

      Because religion makes claims that are verifiable and falsifiable by science. The Bible says bats are birds.

  • Shakir Mumtaz..

    scientists of today are not immune to political or ideological tilt such as a cosmologist Larence M. Krauss, inciting other scientist to be “Militan Atheists” so called intellectual sam harris etc—therefore their opinions or finding can not be taken seriously. Like both of these people mentioned above are Atheists and could not be expected to give an honest opinion to the contrary !

    • Bill

      I think being a militant atheist is a good response to radical extreme religious nutters like yourself.

  • Caesar

    You must all repent your sins to God…hahahah

  • Asher ali

    Sir who said that our Holy Qurran is limited!And it is written by Holy Prophet(P.B.U.H) on paper when the angels convey the message of GOD(ALLAH) to him!

    • Gabriel

      If god speaks why doesn’t he speak again. Why only one time thousand years ago when there were no cameras,science or physicists? Consider this my friend, you say that the angels convey the message of God but please enlighten us on these angels. Why don’t they show themselves today when there are critical thinkers around and people with logical sense?

      • Isa Kocher

        humans have had common sense, were rational and logical and and analytical for god knows how many millenium at least a hundred millenium.

      • Klambo2

        Yes quite, the all powerful God would have known full well that TV, internet Video Cameras would all be invented……..and yet he chose a period in time where none of these things to record actual “divine” events exisited.
        No video cameras to record Jesus walking on water or Moses parting the waves……..or Mohammed meeting the angel Gabriel.
        Then you have to ask what has God sending Moses, Jesus Mohammed to us on Earth achieved…………the Earth has become climate unstabalised and the world is much more violent than it ever was………..surely God can’t have screwed up his timings!

    • Caesar

      The Quran was written in the style of an Arab in Arabic script on paper in a book. We can assume that God is an Arabian then who has linguistic style of someone living a thousand years ago. I wonder if he has changed a little since then?

      • Isa Kocher

        no. it was not written. the word quran means recite.

        it was recited. memorized and recited.

    • Isa Kocher

      mohammed saws did not write. he was ummi. not literate. he ordered his companions r.a. not to write but memorize. every year he recited all of the verses in order with those who had memorized it.

  • Dr Safarulla NVM

    What is the credibility of the study to be called scientific? It is only a critical opinion about religion. Not scientific report. If something reported from a western country, please don’t call it scientific. To the other side, no one claimed the Holy Quran as written by God. The writing or the printing started centuries after prophet Mohamed s death. The quran passed through human hearts only. But the believers can challenge that the quran existed in the first volume thousand years back and the one present today is the one and same as far as the content is considered. In that sense, it is scientific, and not nonsense. Calling something nonsense if it is unpalatable to someone, is prejudice. Science doesn’t call anything as nonsense. I am also a scientist. I have not seen such terminology in scientific literature.

  • Dmax

    well Ms Holly science deals with facts and not fairy tails , so your question is nonsensical. You say you studied a lot of religions in your life what was your conclusion ? because if you believe in god I would have to say you have wasted 25 years of your life studying something because you learnt nothing, how can one have respect for someone when they tell you they believe in magic and fairy tails ? Just so your clear I am not pissed off with god , how could I be upset with a myth ? if I was that stupid I would be pissed off with Santa Claus for not getting me that nice bike when I was ten, I am pissed off with religion and all the shit that comes with it. I will tell you what I believe , I believe that religion is the worst man Made disease the human race has ever manufactured, I believe that it has killed more people and has been the cause of more suffering than all the viruses on this earth and this killing and suffering will continue until people grow up and admit that there is no god and there never was.

    • Isa Kocher

      in science you cannot prove the negative. so getting angry at some ‘thing’ you cannot prove does not exist is absurdly irrational

      as for science as a practice the god quality has no perceivable measurable or observable value.

      there are not possible tests.

      hence science has nothing to say about the question. it’s nonsense to talk about it.

      • Dmax

        I am not at all angry and science can prove the negative by providing over whelming proof of the positive

        • Isa Kocher

          no. if it cannot be observed directly or indirectly and has no measurable value of any kind, it cannot exist in any physical way, and that is not a scientific question.

          science is concerned only with testable questions.

          by definition, a scientific proof cannot be a proof of the negative. science, as science, requires some kind of evidence.

          by definition “god” per se cannot be proven. if it can be proven it is not god.

          the whole discussion is absurd: by definition one of the fundamental principles of science is that some things cannot be known, the principle of uncertainty.

          “god”‘s definition includes its unknowability

          as for anger ” I believe that religion is the worst man Made disease the human race has ever manufactured,” that is hate speech, unrelated to any fact: trial by accusation.

          ” I believe that it has killed more people and has been the cause of more
          suffering than all the viruses on this earth and this killing and
          suffering will continue until people grow up and admit that”: a statement of personal belief without any possibility of proof. trial by accusation, hence hate speech.

          if that is not anger, than what else is it. what possible proof could there be.

          what for example would the difference be between religion and any other kind of ideology? capitalism, monopolies, atheistic communism, nationalism, racism, greed, colonialism, imperialism, chauvinism, politics, genocide, eugenics are ideological systems whose adherents have over the last two centuries been the overwhelming cause of so many hundreds of millions of deaths of people that religion per se comes nowhere close. Sen, the Nobel Laureate economist, has proven that profit and political policy is the sole cause of all the deaths of all the people who have died from famine for the last 300 some odd years, for which he got the Nobel prize. famines in europe, in africa, in south asia, in china, such as the Irish potato famine, caused by denying food to people to make greater profit by those who owned the food and wanted to make more money. hard to come close to matching those facts.

          “there is no
          god and there never was.” you can neither prove nor disprove that assertion, and its over the top hyperbolic hate accusations only prove animosity.

          • Isa Kocher

            are you really saying you hate Martin Luther King that much? or Abraham Lincoln. or Eleanor Roosevelt. or William Penn. US Supreme Court Justice Earl Warren. George Mendel. Isaac Newton. Jimmy Carter. Barack Obama. Benjamin Franklin. They are immature murderous children? Dag Hammarskjöld. Geoffrey Chaucer? Gerard Manley Hopkins. J S Bach and Beethoven and Mozart and Michelangelo?

            Tolstoy? Dostoievsky? Gandhi? al-Jebir? the Red Cross? Boy Scouts?

            all immature murderous children?

          • Dmax

            Again I will say science CAN prove the negative by providing over whelming proof of the positive , saying that I believe that religion is the worst man Made disease the human race has ever manufactured is not hate speech this a point of view. One persons ‘Hate speech’ will be anothers legitimate point of view so you see hate. maybe you are one of those people that gets upset at anyone that has an opinion that does not match your own are you one of those over the top P.C types ? as for Sen and his Nobel prize, I never said religion was the only thing wrong on this earth and lets not forget Obama also won a Nobel prize ! so big deal ! “there is no god and there never was” how is this a hyperbolic hate accusation? Please explain.

          • Isa Kocher

            it’s a hate point of view.

            calling it a point of view is like calling the KKK cross burning or Hitler’s My Struggle or the Crusades a “point of view” – get real. Stalin and Mao Zedung and Pol Pot had the same opinion.

            Having a point of view does not make it any less a hate point of view: hate points of view are evil and kill.

          • Dmax

            no its not , its really not ! , its so far from “hate” its amazing you can even come to that conclusion but you really are lost so you know what I will pat you on the head and say “its ok go and sit down over there” because in a way I feel sorry for you Isa. you know what Isa I was going to say so much more but I just cant be bothered because this has become so very boring, good bye Isa

          • Isa Kocher

            you can say anything you please, and still be dead wrong.

            Maxwell proved that light travels as waves in the 19th century “With the publication of A Dynamical Theory of the Electromagnetic Field in 1865, Maxwell demonstrated that electric and magnetic fields travel through space as waves moving at the speed of light. Maxwell proposed that light is an undulation in the same medium that is the cause of electric and magnetic phenomena.[6] The unification of light and electrical phenomena led to the prediction of the existence of radio waves.”

            but 50 years later Einstein using Maxwell’s same experiment proved that light is particles.

            then heisenberg, bohr and planck proved it is both waves and particles

            science cannot prove something negative.

            newton proved that gravity is a force that attracts matter. einstein proved the gravity is not a force that attracts matter. and einstein used basically the same proof newton used.

            with all due respect you have not got a clue what a science proof is

            so that’s my last thought on the matter

            please don’t bother to correct me: i won’t read it

          • Dmax

            you really don’t get it do you Isa !. An absence of something can be proved in various ways, by a reductio ad absurdum or by proving something else that is inconsistent with the presence of that something. its an approach known in mathematics as proof by contradiction look it up . let me give you an example, in law, a party may have the burden of proving nonreceipt of certain correspondence and may bear that burden of proof (at least by a preponderance of the evidence) by introducing into evidence a docket record in which the correspondence would have been noted. In mathematics, there are plenty of proofs of negative propositions, such as “there is no largest prime number” or “there is no rational square root of 2”. you may also note that the saying itself is a negative lol you really are a silly man. by the way anyone can copy from Wikipedia lol ,, I will say it again there is No God , ….. MAN MADE GOD , GOD DID NOT MAKE MAN ! and the fact that there are hundreds or more different Gods depending on who you ask proves this to be a fact.
            good bye Isa your boring me now

  • Shakir Mumtaz

    Where is the damn science in it—it is just bull shit opinion of a RETAED.

    • Caesar

      Nice hat.

  • Bruno Baers

    John William Draper`s book ”History of the Conflict Between
    Religion and Science”, is also on Internet

  • Dominick


    You religious people make the claim of these Gods, therefore the burden of proof is on you. Can you prove unicorns, the flying spaghetti monster, Santa and the tooth fiary don’t exist? You can’t prove or disprove a negative.

    ” if God doesn’t exist why are all you “scientists” making such a fuss about nothing?” – Because people are fed up with the religious brainwashing and beliefs being forced on us. We’re sick of religion creeping its way into government and education. We’re sick of these dangerous religions causing millions of deaths world wide. We’re sick of people pretending to have answers and holding back advancement. We’re sick of ignorance. It’s 2015, time to put the fairytales down and wake up.

    • Isa Kocher

      if you choose not to see it than that’s your privilege. others can say what their experience is and that’s their privilege.

    • Dmax

      Well said !

  • Steve Andreasen
  • Robbie

    Muslims are full of sh1t and hate because they are being bombed and attacked by the West. I don’t think you would be too happy if that was happening to you or your family.

    • Isa Kocher

      you will repeat those words against yourself in the last judgement.

      • Dmax

        no he wont because there will never be a last judgement because there is not god !!

  • Yojimbo

    If there is no God… how can you explain every individual’s UNIQUE testimony which declares how God became part of their life (and then live to their faith until their deathbed) – even more so when many of these born-agains were agnostic, atheist or spiritualists? Testimony (to explain to scientists) is a honest, truthful declaration of an individual’s account of a circumstance in their life. Me for example was agnostic, living a normal live (house, girlfriend, career) when during one week I saw 3 animals a cat, a dog and a crow. Upon these animals I found a book a cat, a dog and a crow and behold after reading it I felt The Holy Spirit and knew God/Jesus. Another friend whilst studying a medical science paper read something but suddenly realised there was a God, although the paper mentioned nothing religious. Another friend in a rock band was in New York and frequently visited his favourite book store, to which he was drawn to a book and gave it to the sales assistant to buy. The sales assistant said, “That’s weird they’ve don’t sell the bible.”It’s these testimonies which many Christians are given the grace of Jesus and then convert to a life dedicated to his peaceful and loving ways. You should as the question… how come in a modern, anti-religious media age, with capitalism, liberty, materialism why people are still being saved by the Grace of God?

    • donaldjenks

      That’s not god that’s synchronicity.

      • Yojimbo

        Donaldjenks does this statement sum up your rational way of thinking?” One way is to appeal to the pride of human beings through a rationalistic philosophy. Their doctrines sound modern and give their followers the feeling that through following them they will become “someone important”. They offer higher or secret knowledge that is supposed to make their followers special and to give them powers beyond the usual human capabilities.” You only approve of information as long as the question can be answered with physical facts. Is this so? Ask why would nature or evolution produce two sexes to recreate? Don’t you think a smarter scientific method would be to reproduce itself … or become like scientific gods creating robots? God explains why man and woman was created or why there are two sexes. Your turn… explain who, what and why there are two sexes when a single organism which can create itself is the ideal solution. God created us with imperfections. Does this sound scientific … to create something deliberately with flaws?

      • Ms.Holly

        Hey Donaldjenks – did you know you live in a system of time – A.D. – means after death – that’s the death of Jesus Christ – and all the world lives within that accepted system – must just be a coincidence right?

        • Robbie

          You must be speaking about the Man-Made Gregorian calendar.

          The Gregorian calendar is today’s internationally accepted civil calendar and is also known as the “Western calendar” or “Christian calendar”. It was named after the man who first introduced it in February 1582: Pope Gregory XIII.

          All of it is man-made and nothing to do with any mythical religious figure that never actually existed and if by chance he did he was just a man like any other.

          • Isa Kocher

            well actually it was made up by julius caesar. not pope gregory. gregory only had it revised. it was the civil calendar of the roman state. employees had a day off on the first and fifteenth of every month.

    • vicky

      That must be the most dumbest answer ive ever heard. IF there were a creator, then why must people have to be praying in adulation constantly or asking for help when their babies are dying of cancer, where is the “god” plan come in ? Oh, he has a plan, the most dumbest thing ever uttered by a religious nut ever.

    • Dominick

      I face palmed so hard reading this.

    • John Troutman

      Our personal perceptions create a SUBJECTIVE truth, for us. I may be very sure who the best/worst ball team is, but that’s a subjective truth (ask any METS fan), not reality. You’re talking about OPINIONS, made by individuals. All are IDEAS, not necessarily factual. We all have different preferences, and for each individual, THAT IS A TRUTH, but it’s not the truth for others. Religion is tribalism, and often intolerant of other beliefs, which makes it dangerous.

    • Frankola

      These are ridiculous “testimonies”. I see a cat, a dog and a crow every f**king day.

      • Caesar

        Yes but have you ever seen a cat, a dog and a crow mating? Now that would be spectacular.

  • LCF

    If God exists how come different cultures all have their own God or Gods? Why not one God for all of humanity and the universe?

    • Ms.Holly

      Maybe we all see the same thing through different eyes

      • Earl

        As a Christian I dispute your answer. Our God is not the same of the Muslim God or the Hindu Gods of which they have many. It is not a question of looking through different eyes. You are very confused.

        • Isa Kocher

          pope john XXIII pope john paul II pope benedict whatever and pope francis first along with numerous orthodox ecumenical patriarchs and other christian bodies say the god of christianity and islam are the same god.

        • Klambo2

          Christians, Muslims, Hindus all worship imaginary friends who live somewhere above the Earth’s atmosphere………debating whether they all worship the same imaginary friends seems futile…….since they don’t exist!

    • Robbie

      Because God is only in the mind. Each person and culture has their own created mind god. The human brain is actually a very limited tool and especially under primitive cultures they felt the need to create gods.

      • Lisa Gunther

        This is true. They used God to explain things that they did not understand, like the sun and moon. It was also used as a social structure for people who shared the same ideas and beliefs. Leaders of the religions spoke about was the correct way to act, think, etc. It also made people feel good, knowing that a protector was watching over them. It is the worlds biggest con job.

  • Dmax


  • marcos_marcotron

    “You look at the design of so many things on earth and think – wow –
    whoever designed this was pretty – well – incredible – to design a
    system like a human body which heals – that’s amazing”

    There’s zero evidence that humans were ‘designed’. There is however, overwhelming evidence that it evolved to be that way.

    Animals of any species who have a body that cannot heal, are far less likely to survive long enough to reproduce, and produce offspring with similar non-healing-body genes. Animals of any species that have bodies that do heal on the other hand, are obviously going to survive longer.

    To say he designed humans, is to say he designed every mutation of every animal. It’s to say he makes babies born with deficiencies. It’s to say he creates viruses. If everything was all designed, he’s not only designed trillions of flaws, but he’s done it in such a way, that it looks like evolution, and not design, in the same kind of way that to a young earth creationist, he’s somehow designed things to look like they’re older than they are, designed the light from distant stars to look like it’s come further than it can have if the universe is only thousands of years old.

  • Hammad

    Dear reader: Those scientist never read the Quraan, If they do, they will find and know that the Quraan is God’s words sent to Prophet Mohammad By Gebrael during the second half of the sevent century AD. Many facts were described at that time while science hardly discovered and proofed them during the 20th century. Such as the Globe is a rounded ball, while Fasco Degama discovered this fact 5 centuries later. The description of the creation of baby starting from the sperm till the death as old man is hardly discovered now adays.
    I invite you to read it once to proof many facts.

    • marcos_marcotron

      “Such as the Globe is a rounded ball, while Fasco Degama discovered this fact 5 centuries later.”

      How could this person have ‘discovered it’ 500 years later, if it was common knowledge from the Quran?

      The earth was already thought to be spherical long before the Quran was made up anyway.

      “The description of the creation of baby starting from the sperm till the death as old man is hardly discovered now adays.”

      It was pretty obvious that when having sex, men produced sperm. It was pretty obvious that when women didn’t have sex, they didn’t get pregnant. What kind of cruddy ‘revelation’ is that, if it was obvious already?

      The quran has ZERO scientific findings that weren’t already known. NO scientific advance came from reading the quran. Not one.

      There are things a god could have described, to at least prove such knowledge thousands of years later – like televisions. People weren’t using electricity back in those days, but there could have been verses on how something similar to lightening would be used in the future, which would able to us to view moving pictures in cube shaped boxes (tvs), for example. There COULD have been things said by a god to show knowledge.

      But nothing was said to show scientific knowledge. And even if it had, all it would have shown, was that some being knew of scientific knowledge more than any human did – an alien could have visited, for example.

      So even if you had one single thing in the Quran that showed a knowledge far beyond any human mind at the time – which you don’t, because there is none, it would still not be proof of a god.

      • Danny

        Quran is not book of science but it is book of signs…in that book there is a sign that He create people who can use their brain to think. So that’s why, now, they can make television or any other technologies like what you mention above…if Quran is book of science then it should be very very very thick book then…and it will be very useless for human have brain in their head…If you are not sure that Quran is a book of signs then read it and you will realise that Quran really mention about everything which happen in the past, now and in the future…sorry about this comment, hope you enjoy reading Quran 🙂

        • Roy Fjelldal

          It’s a book of nonsense.

          It’s plagiarism of the Torah old and new testament nonsense. Compare it it’s the same nonsense made by a copycat named mohammed

          • Danny

            I see…so you are Christian…I just wonder Why Christian always insulting Muhammad (PBUH)…As a muslim, we never insulting Jesus (PBUH) as we are following Jesus as well. As Muslim, we are more Christian than Christian. We don’t drink alcohol, we don’t eat pork, and we do circumcised like what Jesus (PBUH) did in the eight days.

          • Roy Fjelldal

            No I am no christian! I dislike all religion equally. I find it all very unmoral. I look upon “religions” as the same garbage. I wish it all to just go away. Just take a look at the world. Islam, Judaism, christianity do not make it a better place. Reason does. education of woman. Not this ancient nonsense from the bronze age.

          • Danny

            Ok, thanks for sharing your point of view. No matter what, it is (once again) already mention in the Quran that no body can change heart/mind from someone to believe in Islam so I just leave you with all of your thought. Hope you are happy in your life my friend 🙂

          • Roy Fjelldal

            I don’t have as a goal to change any body’s mind about anything. But you know what your faith are trying to do with people who are not muslims?? This is my problem, when a amateurish hoaxy religion at best, trying so hard to make people join. all religion are so obviously man made, that one have to be plain stupid to not see that in 2015

          • Roy Fjelldal

            I do not drink alcohol, i do not eat any meat. I think circumcision is child abuse. Seem like your faith have no problem with child abuse since child brides is so common in Islam. Just saying. I do not lie i do not steal, i am married to one woman i have 3 kids. I do not need to believe in some invisible man in the sky whom no one can prove in anyway exist. I can not prove he do not exist. but it’s not my burden of proof either it is the burden of proof for them who believe such.

        • Roy Fjelldal

          Religious text in all forms are mostly white noise and common urban legends and myth amongst goat herders.

          I can not imagine people in 2015 being so deluded

      • Roy Fjelldal

        Really some muslims still think the world is flat.

        Everything you write is just bullshit sir. read a book i doubt you ever did read a whole book

    • Roy Fjelldal

      Are you totally stupid? word of god my ass. I read it and it’s terrible and would never been released if written in modern times that’s how shitty it is

      • Danny

        Really you read the Quran? Which part of the Quran that you say terrible?

        • Roy Fjelldal

          One need only study the doctrine of Islam—not merely as it existed in
          the 7th century, but as it exists today—and ask some very basic
          questions. What, for instance, is the penalty for apostasy?
          Interestingly, it isn’t spelled out in the Koran—there, apostates are
          merely promised their just deserts in hell—but it is made painfully
          clear in the hadith, and in the opinions of Muslim jurists and Muslim
          mobs everywhere. The year is 2015, and the penalty for apostasy,
          everywhere under Islam, is death. I have yet to meet an apologist for
          the religion, however evasive, who could lie about this fact with a
          straight face. Needless to say, I receive emails from former Muslims who
          are all too aware of what it means to be a former Muslim. Depending on
          where they live, these people run a real risk of being murdered, perhaps
          even by members of their own families, for having lost their faith.”

          • Danny

            Thanks for your reply brother…

            First of all, it is forbidden in Quran to kill someone. So, if you see a muslim who kill another people (Muslim or not muslim) then he must not really know about Islam (Islam here is someone who apply Quran and Hadith in his life). It is clearly mentioned in the Quran that if you kill someone in the earth then it means that you kill all of the people in the earth so you can imagine how big the sin for muslim to kill people. So that’s why, Islam say that is forbidden to kill someone.

            Secondly, yes you are right the penalty of apostasy is hell but who deserves to give punishment for apostasy, that is only Allah, our creator. For comparison in our daily life, if you have 2 children then they are fighting each other. Do you think who deserve to give them advice?one of them or you as a parent? if you already give them advice and advice again but they are still fighting, then who do you think deserve to give them punishment? one of them or you as a parent? It same when you work in the big company then you make a small mistake and you still work for them, I think your boss will accept your apologise but then if you resign from that company without any clear reason, do you think your boss will not disappointed with you?

            Hope you can understand the point that I give it to you and sorry if you don’t like my answer. Thanks 🙂

          • Roy Fjelldal

            By stating what you stating you are saying that your allah and his prophet is the only truth? Why? What about all the other religions around who are pretty much the same nonsense?

            Your faith is very young and have absolutely no bearing on anything. The Torah/bible and other text have much more substans. And you say it’s illegal for a muslim to kill.
            Is it legal for a muslim to have sex with underage girls. under the age of, let’s say 12 years of age? I mean since your prophet mohammed married a six year old Aisha and had sex with her when she is nine. And everything he did is so called holy? Well case is that the biggest Islamic countries accept child brides because of this. And take a look on the countries with this religion, like India, pakistan, saudi, Iran, Iraq. etc etc. People are running away because it’s terrible there. might it be that something is wrong with the religion? Or are you going to blame the Jews for this?

            Is it moral to damn someone to hell for not believing in something? Is that fredom? That is totalitarianism. It’s group thinking. What normal human want such?
            Not me. I feel sick to my stomach when i hear and read what some Imams say about woman. Sorry wont have any religion in my life i find it unmoral to its core

          • Danny

            Right, please if you know just a little bit information then find out another source to justify what you mention above…

            Do you know that Torah and Bible also mention in the Quran?so it means Muslim should believe on it as well so you are wrong if you said that we don’t believe in Moses (PBUH) and Jesus (PBUH).

            Please,go to the link why prophet Muhammad (PBUH) married with Aisha


            hope it will make you clear 🙂

            About Islam countries, do you think all of the people who live in there practising Islam properly?do you think if some Muslim do something wrong then you can blame that Islam wrong?

            Do you think, my Allah who deserve to put someone in the hell is human? Sorry my brother, He is not Human he is the creator…if you create puzzle then you don’t like it and you want to burn your puzzle and then “the puzzle” said don’t burn me…what are you doing then if you still don’t like and you want to burn it?you keep burn your puzzle…it same if my Allah don’t like His creation because they go out from Him then He deserves to put His creation in the Hell

          • Roy Fjelldal

            nonsense and brainwashimg

          • Isa Kocher

            what is nonsense and brain washing? it is a fact the the books of moses etc are described in quran and muslims must accept all of the prophets and messengers of god. that is what it says. it says give be patient don’t hurt others.

          • Isa Kocher

            the quran says sinners will confess their own sins. the quran says it is not new. the quran says all the religions of all human societies are true and the quran says it is only summing up and clarifying what all religions say. it defines a muslim as any human being who gives, does not take, and takes care of the poor and the powerless not for their own benefit but for the benefit of humanity. the quran says believe whatever you want and in the final judgement you will judge yourself.

        • Fred Bohm
      • Ms.Holly

        Using anger as a power is evil – word of Roy my ass – “I read it and it’s terrible” – so in your pissed off opinion, the Quraan is not well written – is that what you are saying here “pissed off Roy”? And Roy, why are you SO pissed off anyway?

    • religion of peace

      mohammed literally added verses whenver it suited him to advance his desires. these verses benefitted him and only him alone, yet they were the world of allah. even aisha is quoted to have said that allah is quick to grant the word of god.

      • Isa Kocher

        that’s silly. childish. rude.

    • Robbie

      The Quuran is a book with words written on pieces of paper. The process of writing a book involves human thought, linguistic nuances and the writing of pre-conceived man-made words on paper. That’s all it is. Read the study above. Why would a god write a book? The Muslims claim they do not worship idols but the book is in itself an idol created with human hands and minds.

    • Isa Kocher

      again just wrong. helenistic egyptians measured the circumference of earth. pllato guessed it. Eratosthenes [276BCE – 195BCE] 3rd century BCE measured the circumference of the earth. there is no description of embryology in the quran. but embryology was known by greek chinese hindu scientists.

  • 33

    communism is a religion

    • Roy Fjelldal

      Well it’s is not even if stalin used religion as a part of his bullshit

  • Ms Holly

    I hope you’ll excuse my typos – I’m not perfect like God, just work for him – thank you for the read and I enjoy the candor . . .

  • Ms Holly

    By the way – God didn’t invent religion – man and society did – God invented relationships – I understand it’s hard to imagine people having a relationship with someone they can’t even see – but actually – that’s what I’m doing right now – attempting to relate to people I can’t see or touch – I can only read what they are saying. I myself believe religion and politics are the same thing – I’m a christian and I hate religion – not to offend people who feels they are religious –
    All you people that believe in science – which is good – I love science – do you do your own experiments to just listen to other “experts”? Einstein believed in God and he doesn’t seem that stupid or ridiculous

    • marcos_marcotron

      “Einstein believed in God”

      No he didn’t, and repeating that lie doesn’t make it true.

    • Dmax

      but there is not such thing as god so your just crazy and probably very stupid !

  • Ms Holly

    I’m sorry – we have books that were not written by men – I’d love to know where to get my hands on those books so I can read them

  • Link23123

    You might want to think about the afterlife

    • Nas Maraj

      there is none

      • Link23123

        Oh really? You might want to think about the NDEs, although I myself think NDEs are just hallucinations

    • TRUE. Like the Egyptians…I get it…sucks that I’m going to end-up being a BLOB FISH or MOLE RAT, “Repent, I must!” (P.S. Many thanks to you — in advance)

    • Quidasempre

      oh yes! you may think to follow the “rules” of a invisible but ominscient being who, from the other side, leaved you free to act as you like? and why? in order to get a place in “afterworld”, where all your delight stands in the eternal contemplation of such a “god”? or in a firey place where you’ll be tormented forever by a horned bat-winged minion of him (or a rebel to him: you are still uncertain about that…)? so you pewsitters still dare to call for “rationality in faith” and “pascal’s wager”? but rather go study in order to achieve some progress in dialectics, if you’d find you are unable to find any in honesty and logic!

      • Link23123

        I am not implying I am a believer, I saw that he was able to debunk something, and I just want to see if he can come up with something to debunk the next thing

        • Quidasempre

          the “chinese box reasoning” is not a way to reason and to solve things. btw, by saying “just think in afterlife”, what do you imply to be? a non-believer? or just a “skeptic by routine”?

  • John Taylor

    What if I was to say to you that it is physically and scientifically impossible for any of the things that Jesus was said to have done in the bible. There has never been any documented scientific proof that anyone could walk on water, turn one loaf of bread into 5,000 or turn water into wine. You cannot cure lepers by putting your hand on them and you cannot rise from the dead. Get this through your thick sick skulls you religious morons you are all mentally ill if you believe in Jesus or the bible. You have a mental condition. You are brain washed you dumb f***s. Get this through your thick skulls because until you do you are living a bloddy lie. If you believe in the bible you should be certified insane. GET IT????

    • You Will ALL Die

      Many will come in my name, claiming, `I am he,’ and will deceive many.


      When you hear of wars and rumours of wars, do not be alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.


      Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against
      kingdom. There will be earthquakes in various places, and famines. These
      are the beginning of birth-pains.


      You must be on your guard. You will be handed over to
      the local councils and flogged in the synagogues. On account of me you
      will stand before governors and kings as witnesses to them.


      And the gospel must first be preached to all nations.


      Whenever you are arrested and brought to trial, do not
      worry beforehand about what to say. Just say whatever is given you at
      the time, for it is not you speaking, but the Holy Spirit.


      Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his
      child. Children will rebel against their parents and have them put to


      All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.


      When you see `the abomination that causes desolation’ standing where it does not belong – let the reader understand – then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.


      Let no-one on the roof of his house go down or enter the house to take anything out.


      Let no-one in the field go back to get his cloak.


      How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers!


      Pray that this will not take place in winter,


      because those will be days of distress unequalled from
      the beginning, when God created the world, until now – and never to be
      equalled again.


      If the Lord had not cut short those days, no-one would
      survive. But for the sake of the elect, whom he has chosen, he has
      shortened them.


      At that time if anyone says to you, `Look, here is the Christ!’ [ Or Messiah ] or, `Look, there he is!’ do not believe it.


      For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect – if that were possible.


      So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time.


      But in those days, following that distress, `the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light;


      the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’ [

      • marcos_marcotron

        If there was a god, and he just happened to be the same brand of god you arbitrarily believe in, out of the thousands of possible gods that other dumbasses have believed in, he’d be facepalming at your attempts to argue the case for god by copying and pasting nonsense that clearly isn’t going to alter anyone’s views on the matter.

    • madethatway

      John, you can’t reason with people who base ‘beliefs’ (not facts, just beliefs) on the conviction that “the bible is true because it says it is” – therefore, it’s best just to let them have their rants and move along.

      They’re not worth wasting your energy on.

      “He who knows, speaks not. He who speaks, knows not” (some Chinese proverb).

      • Ms. Holly

        sounds like you are quoting yoda

    • Ms. Holly

      So what do you believe in – putting people down. We are all dumb f***s – and mentally ill – so just why are you pissed off at us anyway – since we are so stupid and crazy – where do your beliefs about people of faith stem from?

  • Beaubeau55

    The Christian Bible has evolved down the years and been ‘sexed up’ along the way. For instance in the earliest bibles found the Gospel Of Mark ends with the tomb of Jesus being found empty and the women visiting running away in fear. Someone clearly decided that was a bit tame because in bibles written 200 years later the story ends with Jesus’s holy ghost revealing himself to the disciples and thus proving his resurrection.

    There may be a supreme being of some kind (although I sincerely doubt it) but if there is he/she/it is nothing like what it portrayed in any holy book of any religion. Man made religion has been a device created to simply exploit and control the simple folk.

  • Lewis Almata

    I want to say this to you all. This article is satans working. He is working through these pepol and he is summoning hell on earth by denying Gods words in the Holy Bible. Satan works through places like this despicabel daily squid. They talk to demons and write dark sided words against the true God. We must all work together to banish the demons here. I call upon God the Almighty to exercize the devils spirit from this site. Go be dispersed away from here from this earth as you are worshipping entites worse than any other person. As a Christian I know our Lord Jesus will come back and smash the daily squib you cannot make anyone doubt there faith for it is in our souls. Begone never to return you are cursed with satan.

    • Larry


    • Wil Loesel


    • marcos_marcotron

      “I call upon God the Almighty to exercize the devils spirit from this site.”

      Sure, he was waiting for you to give him the order, and now he’ll get to work.

      “Begone never to return”

      You are so badly brainwashed, you’re just squawking like a parrot. You might think you’re so important that you have some magical words that can somehow make a god do something that previously he didn’t do…but you’re not.

    • Fred Bohm

      LOL. You are delusional!

  • Tyra Darling

    does it anyone find it a coincidence that all scients are aetheist or not religious at all!!

    • Drew F

      I do find it humorous that delusional people like you believe every scientist is an atheist. And please, work on your grammar.

    • Tyson Williams

      they are not atheist, im not sure why not. but most are not

      • Fred Bohm

        National Academy of Scientists, the most prestigious science organization in the US is 94% atheist. The only question I have is what is wrong with the other 6%

    • Wil Loesel

      It’s difficult for a person who studies science to believe in religions that are written by man, and disproven by science.

    • Jamie Hicks

      There are many highly intelligent people some of which are scientists who absolutely, without a doubt, know that God is. What were they trying to accomplish by writing this trash? “Oh yeah, ALL my questions about if there is a God are now answered because some unknown guy says there is no God this person who is just a “man” says no there’s no God so, I’ll just trust him (the author) instead of using common sense and seeing God’s creation all around us.(sarcasm intended)!!???”

  • Robin

    look at it this way; Religion is like a penis. It’s fine to have one
    and it’s fine to be proud of it, but please don’t whip it out in public
    and start waving it around… and PLEASE don’t try to shove it down my
    child’s throat.

    • Wil Loesel

      Yuck. But, at the same time, well said.

  • SMS

    Why do the so-called science oriented people have to CONFUSE RELIGIONS WITH GOD? You don’t need to do much research to come to some conclusion about the falsity/validity of religions. But God? This is completely a different matter!

    • Giro


  • Robin Salazar

    Okay, let take the movie The Wizard of Oz.
    If you watch the movie and break it all down, you will see it is all about religion!
    or look at it this way; Okay, so let me get this straight….You fabricated a supreme being along with a belief so you could manipulate people into doing what you want? Now who does that?…..That is what the movie is all about in a nut shell…

    • Mickaël

      Actually, the Wizard of Oz is about the money makers.

  • darcus

    does religion hijack normal human emotions and traits. i mean like “LOVE” for example that existed before religion but christains say that its because of their religion only.

    • Giro

      who says that? Christians are talking about another kind of love. The one that most people don’t understand. Not the romantic love or the kind for your siblings and families and such, but the kind of love that you will keep helping a complete stranger that constantly stabs you in the back, or give to someone even though that was all you had. When everyday people see it, they think it is insanity or just Christians being stupid and gullible to believe in some “book”.
      But Christians know what they’re doing and it works if your heart is truly in it. It probably sounds like i’m delusional right now, you may never understand me and you may never want to, i’m just telling you how it is

      • marcos_marcotron

        “but the kind of love that you will keep helping a complete stranger that constantly stabs you in the back”

        You mean the kind of ‘love’ that makes you do kind things to get rewards from god, and/or avoid punishments?

        Doing something you wouldn’t normally do, for reward? I’d call that ‘work’.

    • rsd

      In short religions were created by men for many reasons such dominating minds and lands and wars by a certain way or trick lets say to hijack human weak minds with certain wrong explanations that are mixed between realty and myth for thousands of years where by that time people was not developed in free thought manners,but now these days secularism has revealed the truth of science that is based on logic and nature rules that we analyze by our most powerfull brains god gave us that we are not been able to use in a way to discover wisdoms of life existance.the very future will change and the next generations will exclude religions out of minds to be caged in papers history not else…

  • Daniel

    Religion to me is like someone telling you to believe in something that is so obviously untrue that it is laughable. We’re in the year 2015. People still believe in this sh1t? Are you kidding me? This is just unreal.

    • blaah blah

      get a life!

      • wiseone

        That’s the thing. The ones who realize religion and everything associated with it false and they still have morals and a life. We aren’t the ones who waste large portions of our lives on our knees praying to a fictional being and allowing the holy hands to reach deep into our pockets to support their program of lies and deceit.

        You’re the one without a life.

      • Quidasempre

        get courage.

  • Ronald Milton

    This is a total waste of bandwidth folks! The religious zealots (of all faiths) are going to believe as they were taught as children (most of them anyway). Some of us have inquisitive minds and have figured out through logic and deduction that religion is the same as magic and witchcraft (that is to say it is made up and not real).
    Just be thankful that you have enough wisdom to have realized the truth and leave the others to their madness.

  • Yoel Halb

    Scientific proof? WTF, just repeating old stupid philosophical arguments.
    And BTW do you understand everything else besides this? Do you know how a God creates a world? Why he creates it? Can you explain why the Bible predictions such that as the Jews will always be in existence turned out true?
    And what is your argument about a limited time when in fact religious leaders reporting connection to God are in all.generations albeit in different forms?
    If something there are proof to.the contrary, as NDE has been prooved real.
    Just one question, are you interested in the facts at all? If there is a God do you want to know it

    • No

      Just please stop and think for a second without blindly turning down every argument. Religion isn’t what makes you a good person. Anyone could have predicted 2,000 years ago that jews would still be around (after they had been around for over 1,000 years already. Thousands of gods came and went. Someone made a new god that sounded like many others, but based on what was relevant in their time. You were born in a country and time that christianity is popular. You blindly follow because you were taught that way when you were a child….and you don’t understand why people believe things that are different than you. The church has taught you to blindly follow well…oh, sorry, I meant you have strong faith!

    • cheatara
  • Eddie Smith

    Well, as someone who has studied science, I can tell you nothing in this has proved anything. It is pure speculation hidden in the name is science. That in itself is an affront to the idea of science. Please, just because you are an atheist doesn’t mean you get to hijack science and pretend you are practicing science to attack someone else’s belief system you don’t believe in. Science isn’t concerned with anything but science. So, both religions, atheism and creationism need to leave science alone and practice their religions as religions. Stop trying to recruit evidence for either side which can’t be proved one way or the other. There is no evidence Jesus was buried along with nine other people, and no evidence he had a wife…pure nonsense! And, like some Christians, Atheists are among the most volatile obnoxious human beings ever to walk the face of the earth. Both sides have psychotic zealots that hate anyone that doesn’t believe as they do. Every communist regime in history was Atheist based and they slaughtered over 100 million people in the last 80 years alone. And by the way, Hitler was a tried and true Atheist. So, stop pretending religious zealots in past history did more harm than Atheist regimes in modern history. And also remember, Atheism is also a religion in a of its own despite the zealots irrational rationalizations to the contrary. Grow up. That is for both the Christian zealot and the Atheist zealot. Both of you make the world a poorer place to live. Neither of you have anything positive to add to the debate or condition of this world and humankind. God doesn’t need defending, and people don’t need to try destroy anyone who disagrees with them on either side. Both you you make me ill!

    • wiseone

      Typical. You obviously don’t even know what an atheist is. It’s is conveyed in a single sentence, yet somehow people like you still don’t get it. Atheism is not believing in supernatural beings. That’s it. You can try to pile on a bunch of crap about science and evolution, but really, it has nothing at all to do with those things. It’s not believing in any god. Period. For some, that non-belief may be the result of their understanding of science, but personally, my main reason is that the teachings of (all) religion is so bat-shit crazy that you’d have to be a complete moron to think ANY of it is true and actually happened. And there are plenty of real examples of these bat-shit crazy people… one could fill a book with their names.

      • Eddie Smith

        Wow, such an unreasonable bitter comment? Typical! I know exactly what Atheists claim they are, and exactly what they do to prove otherwise. And, of course your definition is incorrect as per the website of American Atheists which states, Atheism is usually defined incorrectly as a belief system. Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods.” Of course we see right off just because someone
        makes a claim, does not make it so. The fact they have a website shows they are an organized group with a set of classified stated beliefs which is indeed a system of beliefs/belief system. The simple minded denial of facts that smack them in the face shows a lack of critical and even delusional thinking…like you. The second part about a lack of belief in God or gods…absolutely false. Their actions and beliefs show they believe themselves to be a substitute god
        of a sort while they simultaneously deny it. There is no doubt you haven’t studied the teaching of anything, especially any single or collective religion to be able to make such a claim as you do. The fact that some of the greatest minds in the history of the world believe in God means that intelligence does not preclude belief in a God, nor rational thinking. As you say, “…there are plenty of real examples of these bat-shit crazy people… one could fill a book with their names.” but they would include both the religious and atheist alike. People like Hitler who was an Atheist, Stalin, Pol Pot Lenin, Alfred
        Kinsey, Napoleon Bonaparte, Than Shwe, Kim Jong Il, Jeffrey Dahmer, Jim Jones, Benito Mussolini, Mao Zedong, ..,shall I go on?

        Atheism and Mass Murder

        Joseph Stalin’s atheistic regime killed tens of millions of people Concerning atheism and mass murder, Gregory Koukl wrote that “the assertion is that religion has caused most of the killing and bloodshed in the world. There are people who make accusations and assertions that are empirically false. This is one of them.”[1] Koukl details the number of people killed in various events involving theism and compares them to the much higher tens ofmillions of people killed under atheisticcommunist regimes, in which militant atheism served as the official doctrine of the state.[1]

        Communist regimes killed 60 million in the 20th century
        through genocide, according to Le Monde, more than 100 million people[2] according to The Black Book of Communism (Courtois, Stéphane, et al., 1997).[3] and according toCleon Skousen[4] in his best-selling book The Naked Communist.[5]

        It is estimated that in the past 100 years, governments under the banner of atheistic communism have caused the death of somewhere between 40,472,000 to 259,432,000 human lives.[6] Dr. R. J. Rummel, professor emeritus of political science at the University of Hawaii, is the scholar who first coined the term democide (death by government). Dr. R. J. Rummel’s mid estimate regarding the loss of life due to communism is that communism caused the death
        of approximately 110,286,000 people between 1917 and 1987.[7]

        Richard Dawkins has attempted to engage in historical revisionism concerning atheist atrocities and Dawkins was shown to be in gross error (see also: Atheism and ommunism and Persecution of Christians in the Soviet Union).

    • Giro

      I almost took you seriously, I really did. As soon as you said “Christians hate anyone that doesn’t believe as they do” I couldn’t agree with your comment. What you don’t realize is that there are people who call themselves Christians and think they are Christians, but show no evidence of it at all, so they hate people, and basically do anything they want and still put the “Christian stamp” on their title when they introduce themselves.
      You won’t find any hate in a Christian who is an actual legitimate Christian.

      • Eddie Smith

        Oh boy. My exact comment was, “Both sides have psychotic zealots that hate anyone that doesn’t believe as they do.”, not, “”Christians hate anyone that doesn’t believe as they do”. Keep it in context of what I said, not what you want it to say. First of all,nobody can tell for sure if someone is a Christian or not simply by what they say or do. Only God can tell if a person is saved for sure. Second, everyone has sin, including hate, in them until the day they die. Becoming a Christian doesn’t make you sin free. It means God stops counting your sins against your eternal life and begins a work in you called sanctification that isn’t completed until death where you are perfected through glorification. Now, we can say there are two kinds of people belonging to the group called Christians if you want. One is real, and the other would be the “psychotic zealots that hate anyone that doesn’t believe as they do”. But that is a silly classification because it would mean that people from the zealot group couldn’t be saved simply because they are sinful in that area. That is what is known as legalism and is more of a sign someone isn’t saved than anything. But, even with legalistic Christians, nobody can tell for sure if they are or aren’t saved. It doesn’t matter if you took me seriously or not; I am not here to impress you. I am simply correcting erroneous thinking. You are now included in the group of people I had to correct due to erroneous thinking. I am not here for you to agree with me. I don’t deal in opinion like you. I back up what I say with rational thought and logic taken in the proper context of the subject we are dealing with. In your case it lies within the realm of the Bible and Christendom. You make stuff up based off of what? Your limited knowledge of the Bible and what some other very limited person told you, not based off of actual solid scholarly knowledge. You live in realm of propaganda and opinion. That makes you part of the problem, not part of the solution as you currently think you are in your exaggerated opinion of how good you are simply because you claim you are a Christian. I know your kind. Religion makes you believe you are something you aren’t. It is due to your sinful pride and lack of understanding of what the Bible teaches, and your lack of desire to seek the truth which comes from your mind and your heart. One must ask, “If Jesus truly is in you, then why do you still exist in this sorry condition?” Don’t fret,I know the answer. There are two possibilities. One is you aren’t saved. The other, you simply haven’t reached far enough along in your sanctification be able to be any better than you are. Perhaps you never will. Who knows? That is why your statement was so silly. Many of the verses in the Bible that say we should do something are taken a literal causing people think think that not only we should do exactly what they all say, but that we can. This is also erroneous thinking because if that were true, then someone would be able to move mountains by simply telling them to move for here to there. All that they need is the same amount of faith that is contained in a tiny mustard seed. Apparently nobody that was ever born has had enough faith to be able to tell a speck of dust to move from here to there so nobody has ever had faith as big as a speck of dust. The same is true for many of the verses found in the Bible.

  • Q

    So tell me this. Despite the war stories and plagues and stories of destruction, which i believe was all for a reason, God giving HIS PEOPLE lands he felt they deserved for belirving faithfully,the Bible induces all positive aspects of life. To seek inner peace and enjoyment in life and spread to the World. Why is that such a debatable topic. Whether He exists or not, the Bible teaches love and tells us to love and accept each other. Please tell me what is wrong with that.?

    • Muhamed

      You really are brain washed! Love and respect is common sense you don’t need book to teach you that. Evil that all the monotheistic religions brought humanity in pas centuries is enormous. Think of all Christians killed by Jews and vice versa. Jews kid by other Jews in name my line of Judaism is right and your is wrong. Christians killing other Christians Muslims Killed by Christians and vise versa because one ore other view on god is better. Jews killing Muslims because there version of god is wrong and vise versa. Jews King Christians and muslims in Jerusalem because in past god sad thats exclusive land for jews.
      Muslims killing other muslims because Ali had to be Khalifa and other Killing other Muslims because Ali is not Khalifa.
      Dear Humans pleas believe common sense that love being good to other respect others.

    • lollyorsweet

      because whether he exists or not but when people say things like your going to the worst place imaginable because you don’t believe what they were taught from man

  • Itsallthere

    It’s all coming out now…finally….I hope the xtians slowly wake up…duped..

    The discovery, according to the researchers, proves that Jesus was
    buried in Jerusalem along with nine other people, one being “Judah, son
    of Jesus,” another his supposed wife, “Mary” – an obvious affront to
    the common-knowledge New Testament theology. “He [Shimron] has made
    what I think is a huge discovery,” Jacobovici told The Jerusalem Post.
    “I have been following him and his work for the past seven years, this
    is not an overnight thing.”

    Scientific Proof that Jesus was not son of God

    • Lozza

      If some geezer called jesus actually did exist he was just a normal guy like you and me.

    • Dave

      It is quite fitting that Mary Magdalene would be one of Jesus’s consorts or wife. She was a prostitute and maybe Jesus was one of her Johns who got attached to her and they got married. Did she stop her prostitution after they got married and did it cause friction between the two? These are some of the questions we must ask. Their son Judah was a good kid I presume cuz he was buried with them in the ossuary.

    • Lucille

      finally proof that jesus existed and was a normal human.

      • wexarg

        more than that i love all including prostitute bless im

    • wexrg

      you don’t need proof that you are totally limited in your perception and tinkling exp….think of the word alien

      ring a bell see that was no to hard ,.,. br o

      • No

        “you are totally limited in your perception” – Someone who believes in the god that they were taught to believe in.

  • Martin Mayberry

    You could turn water into wine if you were God and had his power!

  • Phuckeuroachits

    I bet if you made a sound as if you were a cow, I wouldn’t say you are a bull; but, I am way more a google % sure that someone such as I might write to friends in other places that I had once heard you utter a sound, as cows do; and write it with alphabetical letters, that, when placed into a particular order, then read by another person who knows how to pronounce what I’d written for you as having “uttered aloud” as: moo.xoxoxo (kisses & hugs, pal)…remember that word conscience. Many individual science lovers from years past, still were wise enough to retain their individual conscience, and to never underestimate the power of understandable languages that communicate much more than: 1 + 1 = DOS

  • Veb

    How kind of “Dr.” Sanriso to ejaculate his choice of words used to communicate his “Doctoral” Oral Opinion. More seem to be told to “DOO” as he says to, it seems; so, which is the wickedest of the dox, doc? I dare say, it would be nice if this very educated doctor was able to retain enough space in his cranium to possess an ability to try to see what others say they see & feel on personal & applicable levels. But, he’s a doctor…with places to go & bodies to screw, screw over or screw up, as he sees it is.

    • cheatara

      …see that link up at the top, the last one in the bar, it says satire…there is a reason for that…

  • wayne

    The difference between an Atheist and a Christian is that an Atheist does not get mad that you believe but a Christian does if you do not..

    • Martin Mayberry

      If you tell an atheist you believe that evolution is a total lie, and I believe that God is true. they{evolutionist} do get angry and call you names! they do and I have been on the receiving end of the evolutionistatheist hate words! you can’t pull that LIE on me! LOL BUT I do know God does indeed exist!

      • God

        Hi Martin

        I’ve been watching you. I am God. I thank you for your service to my belief. Yes indeed I exist. I sent my Son over your way awhile back and then he rose from the dead to rejoin me. .Your belief in Jesus and God is what keeps me alive. Without you I would not exist.


        • Nas Maraj


      • Well, if someone told me that God is REAL and God does EXIST and says that there’s no such thing as EVOLUTION — you mo’f’ckin’ best believe I’m gonna flip and possible kill-you because you -my friend, are OUT-OF-YOUR-GOD-DAMN MIND! [P.S. I went to Catholic School from 2nd -to- 8th grade…thank the Imaginary God(s) I didn’t get brainwashed! Whewww!]

      • gary lunsford

        In reply to a hundred thoughts of despair. From all comments we can surmise that we none of us have hope of any kind. We are all doomed to suffer at the hands of a government induced police state that will bring death to every doorstep; Welcome everyone to your so-called disillusioned state of intellectualism; I’m sure it serves you well in your disneyland world of make believe which makes up your philosophy of life.

      • cheatara

        Evolution isn’t something you get to choose to believe in or not, it’s something to accept. Facts are still facts whether you believe they are true or not.

  • Realerist

    A thing is called a “fact” when it is universally and independently testable to hold true in 100% of isolated incidences. What we experience as fact is nothing more than quantum coherence. Decoherence is not impossible though it is insignificantly unlikely for most purposes of testing. Quantum tunneling and beta decay are examples of the probabilistic nature of our universe. Therefore an educated atheist should understand that “fact” and the observable universe are somewhat at odds with each other.

    Obviously it is a bit of a stretch to apply the quirky, probabilistic behavior of quantum physics to loving and possessing such great faith as to heal a leper or change the chemical composition of a liquid, but my point is merely to reiterate the recent revelations that time doesn’t actually exist and thus causality is a very well organized and extremely stubborn illusion with a correspondingly high probability of success.

    I ask you this: If during a continuously compiling run-time simulation a programmer decided to modify a computation or tweak a value, would the program itself or any constituent therein be aware of the change? Though they would certainly be affected, the nature of the observer would observe nothing more than the laws that real time has consistently manifested. If something is changed in real time and that change is not observed or recognized, the future can be changed consistent with causality and, in retrospect, be considered in line with “fact” (e.g. laws of thermodynamics, etc). That doesn’t mean causality is infinitely preserved, but rather that causality is only retroactively conserved to maintain the illusion.

    In a program it would be no different. Sure, there would be a trail for any change if one were to dig far enough into the hardware procedures, but unless some sort of monitoring subroutine iteration were built into the code it would be lost in countless memory cycles almost instantaneously. There is no such “monitoring” program available to mankind that would identify the signature of our Creator, aside from the breadcrumbs He provides to lead us to Him. Our reality is too complex with variables and subroutines and, if there is a God, He’s obviously much smarter than us and capable of hiding to preserve free, conscious will.

    Above posters are correct…it’s all about “experience”, and not about “proof”.

  • Sekhmet73

    Religion is simply the most destructive social disease we as humans have constructed to inflict on ourselves. We can’t even accurately count how many people have been killed directly in its name; an activity which continues to this day. That number would encompass count those killed by their own hand as a direct result of self-destructive religious teachings. It teaches us that we are, at our cores, terrible beings and in large part for the urges that, in their paradigm, “god” instilled in us as mammals.

    It creates in us the poison and simultaneously sells us the antidote. The cost of this antidote is nothing less than the complete surrender of our whole beings; body, mind and “soul.” That’s not much of an existence in the first place and to call it “free will” as christians often do, is asinine. It’s as transparent of a control mechanism as I can think of.

    Religion creates the demons it claims to fight, both outside and inside those who are bound by it. In reality, however, without these fabricated shadows, demons and specters their paradigm would simply and thankfully dissolve. I look forward to the day when we realize that the shadows moving in the night are at best our own imagination and at worse just nefarious humans.

    There is a laundry list of ways that human civilization would be so much further along if not for the tyrannical fears of the religious? Medicine and anatomy being the topic that casts the longest shadow in my opinion. What would we be able to cure, repair or vaccinate against if religion hadn’t been so solipsistic to think that medicine was blasphemy? How much further along would we be if we were able to study disease and not just chalk it up to demons?

    The classic argument for religion, “where would we be without the morals that religion teaches?” is also nonsense. Religion usurped some of the best ideas of humankind. Compassion, empathy, charity, etc. are all espoused by religion, but those ideas were not born of it. Human societies put these ideas into practice long before religion reared its schizophrenic head. I would go one step further and say that religion has perverted and weaponized these ideas by backing self-righteous uses of the opposites of these virtues against those who think differently.

    There is just no excuse to endure this medieval, arrogant and myopic nonsense any longer.

    • Martin Mayberry

      The demons that religion claims to fight are already out there, {Homosexuality, Abortion is murder, Hatred of all that is decent and Holy} Those are the demons! I have been a Christian for years and I have {hope beyond the grave and love and joy and peace} in my heart! That is the very things Christ has given me. It Is not possible that all the Christians that say the same things apply to them are crazy! I do not buy that idea at all! People who believe in the lie and fabrication of evolution are filled with the Demons! Hell will be the home of all that reject the blood of Christ! So if you have any intelligence at all, you need to change your demonic ways!

      • Cheryl Dozier

        lol. had many patients like you in my psych units

      • equaltemp

        It’s ironic that you reject the science of evolution. To know science is to know that we don’t choose what we believe. It only takes knowing oneself to comprehend that fact. So to ridicule people for not choosing to believe in Christ is as absurd as me ridiculing you for not choosing to believe in evolution. If I asked you to choose to disbelieve in Christ, could you do it?

        My point has nothing to do with religion or whether Christ exists or not. I’m simply addressing your ignorance concerning how people develop beliefs.

      • lollyorsweet

        Christ doesn’t just give you love he gives you hatred to other people for being different do you actually think a super being would need primitive people to worship him you do not know how blind you already are you think of some people as demons when that’s just what people will do we are capable of great good and bad doesn’t make us demons.

      • ColinCallan

        That is such an ignorant and brainwashed view! I despair with your kind, I really do.

  • toby

    Question 1. Just think for one second, if ‘God’ or a ‘messenger of God’ had written that particular religious book/bible, how come the writings only occur within a very limited period in human history

    The Bible is quite complete, there were only about 250 miracles in the Bible, which may be a lot, but they all had huge time gaps, like 800 years or so, Jesus had all His miracles in His lifetime sure, but a lot of the things He did had prophecies fulfilled from the Old Testament, which were written thousands of years ago, not all at one time, according to carbon dating. Prophecies that predicted stuff with great similarity, seriously read psalm 22, it has tons of similarities to the resurrection, my hands and feet are pierced, and these are not out of contex, it is an entire chapter, an entire psalm.

    And sure God doesn’t write the Bible himself, but God’s also not writing this, the Bible is just God’s word written by people inspired by God, just like the people in the Bible were inspired by God, I am inspired by God to write this. People don’t come to Christ by logic, they come to Christ by experience, so me arguing won’t do anything, except annoy you more and make you deny God, if people only come to relegion by experience, by dreams, by morals, right and wrong, then that proves there’s something out there making those dreams, and were all not just lunatics.

    The reason that athiest arguments are always so scientific, is because artificial arguments, that don’t come from the Bible, are always much more complex then original, you can see theistic arguments that are very very complex, and take an hour to explain, just like in this one vid a watched called undisputed evidence of God or something, and I was like whaaaaat, this makes no sense, the same with atheistic arguments, the inductive ones at least. But here’s the thing, you rarely see atheists giving their own argument against Christianity, you always see them saying there’s no evidence, or that it is illogical for God to be real, you only see the large atheists making their own arguments, the ones that are in front of millions of people as they make their argument, then then Christian has to be defensive. But in that case, doesn’t that mean that Christianity is farther then atheism, because if you are always leading with new arguments, and atheists are always trying to destroy those arguments, then Christianity is making more arguments then atheism, and therefore atheism is falling behind. You never see moderate atheists making their own arguments, it’s mostly 90% being deductive to Christianity. That’s because the atheists arguments are too complex for a normal human to understand, and they either don’t know what their talking about, or just don’t talk about their arguments, cause the best arguments for Christianity, are the ones that show it is true, and the best arguments for atheism, are the ones that show that Christianity is untrue, but notice there’s no proof for why atheism is true. That’s because atheists use more blind faith then Christians.
    Even Richard Dawkins admits that he can’t provide the kind of proof for atheism that atheists ask believers to provide for their theism. So there is a double standard at work here. Basically saying, atheists want more proof from Christianity, then they can provide for atheism.

    Reward and punishment relegions are not just control systems because here’s the thing, reward and punishment is just the system of our morals, your conscience is where we get out moral values from, we’ll shouldn’t we just evolve out of it, like evolution states. If we did our morals would be all different now if we evolved out of it. Also even more evidence of God, you notice every newborn child has an ok conscience. (I mean were all sinners at birth, but it’s an ok conscience) Conscience doesn’t carry on genetically. You can destroy your conscience from the world, but you can’t give that to your newborn, they will always have a fresh start to believe in God. (another example of how religion is a personal thing now a thing you do because your friends are doing it) God is graceful enough to give every child a new conscience, if everybody didn’t get new consciences, then the worlds morals would be way different from before, because messages from books don’t stay around for thousands of years, there has to be a different special force that doesn’t genetically evolve (our conscience) to keep our morals straight to The Bibles, and there has to be another special force that God gives so The Bibles text don’t pass away.

    This text here doesn’t have very many arguments, I hope I’ve clarified some for you, really the only arguments are in the first three paragraphs, the rest is just explaining about cause and effect and how presidents may be angry, makes sense, but doesn’t provide any real evidence that athiesm is true, so yes people have reasoning powers today, but they still are quite as blind as before, people use blind faith in choosing which path they want to go down, athiesm or theism, and they use that blind faith to pick the argument that sounds more scientific, just like when their in science class and they pick the answer that sounds the most scientific because they don’t know what their picking. I really do hope more Christians study some apologetics before they reply something like, the devil will destroy you, I get it, but we want the people to become Christians, and not go to that horrid place, alone in fire like a human pit of burning waste, called hell. I pray this brings some light to you all. Sorry for writing a book haha

    • Bless Jesus

      I agree totally It’s impossible that the miracles of Jesus could not be true because why would they be written in such detail by so many.
      Whoever wrote this piece is obviously deluded. Here are a list of miricles of Jesus from the New Testament. Atheists cannot discount all of these becauase their too numerous.

      Jesus changed water into wine (John 2:1-11).

      Jesus cured the nobleman’s son (John 4:46-47).

      The great haul of fishes (Luke 5:1-11).

      Jesus cast out an unclean spirit (Mark 1:23-28).

      Jesus cured Peter’s mother-in-law of a fever (Mark 1:30-31).

      Jesus healed a leper (Mark 1:40-45).

      Jesus healed the centurion’s servant (Matthew 8:5-13).

      Jesus raised the widow’s son from the dead (Luke 7:11-18).

      Jesus stilled the storm (Matthew 8:23-27).

      Jesus cured two demoniacs (Matthew 8:28-34).

      Jesus cured the paralytic (Matthew 9:1-8).

      Jesus raised the ruler’s daughter from the dead (Matthew 9:18-26).

      Jesus cured a woman of an issue of blood (Luke 8:43-48).

      Jesus opened the eyes of two blind men (Matthew 9:27-31).

      Jesus loosened the tongue of a man who could not speak (Matthew 9:32-33).

      Jesus healed an invalid man at the pool called Bethesda (John 5:1-9).

      Jesus restored a withered hand (Matthew 12:10-13).

      Jesus cured a demon-possessed man (Matthew 12:22).

      Jesus fed at least five thousand people (Matthew 14:15-21).

      Jesus healed a woman of Canaan (Matthew 15:22-28).

      Jesus cured a deaf and mute man (Mark 7:31-37).

      Jesus fed at least four thousand people (Matthew 15:32-39).

      Jesus opened the eyes of a blind man (Mark 8:22-26).

      Jesus cured a boy who was plagued by a demon (Matthew 17:14-21).

      Jesus opened the eyes of a man born blind (John 9:1-38)

      Jesus cured a woman who had been afflicted eighteen years (Luke 13:10-17).

      Jesus cured a man of dropsy (Luke 14:1-4).

      Jesus cleansed ten lepers (Luke 17:11-19).

      Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead (John 11:1-46).

      Jesus opened the eyes of two blind men (Matthew 20:30-34).

      Jesus caused the fig tree to wither (Matthew 21:18-22).

      Jesus restored the ear of the high priest’s servant (Luke 22:50-51).

      Jesus rose from the dead (Luke 24:5-6).

      The second great haul of fishes (John 21:1-14).

      • Cheryl Dozier

        water into wine there are millions of wineo’s who wish that were true.

      • cheatara

        Yea, because, you know, look at harry potter…somehow hundreds of people have managed to write about harry’s adventures, in many varied forms, all over the world, and, yet, it still isn’t real…

    • bangel

      The “proof” is the fact that civilizations come and go, just like religion. What makes Christianity any different than those religions that came and went?

      • Martin Mayberry

        False religions come and go !

        • bangel

          So you’re saying Hinduism is a “true” religion then? It’s been around longer than Christianity. 4000 years…

          • Martin Mayberry

            When You ask Jesus To come into your heart and change you and he gives you REAL peace that passes all understanding! You no longer have any more doubt about what religion is the REAL one! Jesus takes away your sins and give you REAL hope and TRUE joy for all time and eternity! Have a Wonderful Easter and God bless!

          • bangel

            Yeah, those people who accepted Jesus into their heart sure changed them. Changed them enough to donate $$$ to their pastor so he can get a 65 million dollar jet. After all, Jesus told them to.

          • Martin Mayberry

            I have a pastor an he does not have a jet! LOL

          • bangel

            Yeah, your pastor should start small…like a helicopter. I’m sure Jesus wouldn’t mind.

          • equaltemp

            You have to believe (have faith) for that to happen. So how do you propose that people who don’t believe or have faith accomplish this? You can certainly choose to “behave” religiously, but without belief, there’s no understand, as you call it. You can’t choose to believe in something. So why do theists continue to deride people who don’t believe?

          • sdfrg

            idiotismum as been around even longer and still is god bless the little idiot

          • bangel

            Holy holiday is the first of April?

          • bangel

            There is even a holiday for it. April Fool’s Day!

    • wexrg

      yes god is a alian with billion of years of evolutrion experiance im iam god to just not very evolve by to look of it /punks you all are /for another trillion years ahahahahahaha

    • wexrg

      you not far from a perception of the alien that the next religion the true one mark my word

  • marc

    (My opinion) Jesus may have been real but he was no different from anybody else, he was a man that everyone looked up to and worshipped worshipped. I dont believe he had all these powers and etc if there is a god then we are all his children nobody is better than the other including jesus…

    • Riverside Baptist

      Jesus was as real as you or me but he is the Son of God and he will return soon to earth to reclaim his flock.

      • cheatara

        extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, so what sort of evidence for the jesus of the bible having actually existed do you have, that no theologian, museum, historian, apologist, or, even the vatican, has seen yet. Cause, thus far, there is no real evidence for jesus having really existed, even as a typical human being and there is even less evidence for anyone, jesus or otherwise, having performed even one miracle.

    • terft

      And there are those of us who have experienced the peace of Christ who believe it far more likely that, as you said, Jesus was no different from anybody else save for his steadfast determination to please his Father. Any rational person will at least give credence to the altruistic and wise teachings put forth by Christ even if they do not believe he is God incarnate.

      The simple observation that 2000+ years later Christ is far and away the most revered example of the ideal human state above all other contenders speaks for itself: Nobody hangs with the Jesus! Except literally thanks to those two other dudes (criminals) also being crucified on 1 AD or whenever it actually occurred.

      The point is that even if Jesus isn’t God incarnate we are still arguing whether or not he was/is God incarnate, and that’s a pretty solid, enduring reward for having been martyred. While countless other martyrs have been lost in time, nameless in our present day, I’ll bet there wasn’t a single one that lived a selfless existence and died a pain-filled, vain-less death without a shred of condemnation for their torturers. The mere idea of it defies “law”, “fact”, and “common sense” instilled in all mankind, and that is why it is of divine origin.

  • raja

    Waste of time…these people are so washed that they will keep reciting from their godly book as proof. Reasoning has no place in their mind. Try it and they will say man is too small to understand. May be god should send his message in mandarin language so more people will understand.. or better still send his commands miraculously through the www or fb. I am sure it will end all arguments.. But then that is NOT going to happen is it?.. Instead god prefers to use and depend on his followers to terrorise others by threatening to obey or eternal hell awaits….stupid.

    • Edward Buck

      inst that book there proff

  • Anjie

    Why are there no messiahs now? Why are there no miracles now? Why cant ppl walk on water now? We have cameras now we have scientists now we have TV now. Why not now? Is it because in those days when they wrote the bible many were illiterate? You could make anything up and ppl believed it. NOT NOW. Why do ppl still believe in fairy tales and lies? Pls someone answer. I do not have unquestioning faith or belief in bull crap. Why don’t a religious person tell me why I should believe in this stuff? Come on I dare you to.

    • Riverside Baptist

      You are a lost soul I pray for you. Let Jesus into your heart and believe in his goodness. “Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me;
      or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves.” John 14:11

      • Jesus

        It is you and all like you who possess the lost soul. Praying will do nothing. Now go have anal sex with your fascist god you lost cause.

      • Sekhmet73

        I have noticed that “I will pray for you” is the standard, passive aggressive response of the religious when they lack the capacity to refute logical arguments.

    • David Agbi

      2 Peter 3 explicitly states all the nonsense atheists (and other religions/faiths to some extent) are trying to conjure up now.

      2 Peter 3 (NKJV). Only used NKJV to make sentences easier to read for our modern day:

      1 Beloved, I now write to you this second epistle (in both of which I stir up your pure minds by way of reminder), 2 that you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us,[a] the apostles of the Lord and Savior, 3 knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.” 5 For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, 6 by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. 7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

      8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us,[b] not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

      There is the proof. We jeer at the early apostles, but they knew what they were talking about. 2000 years ago, the very apostles you mock are able to accurately predict what people would say in the end times. Atheists are saying the EXACT THING that Peter prophesied and are playing right into God’s hands and ultimately, His master plan. So for any Christians out there, here is a passage to use when arguing with people not of the faith. I thank the Lord Jesus Christ for the mercies He showed to us and that His word is everlasting forever more. Amen.

  • iggy

    Every religion Is bullshit. God and religions r a bunch load of crap. 😀 every rational person knows that. ^^

  • The 6th Tabernacle

    God is Almighty and he will come down on you all with Fire and Blizzards. Those who do not attest to his Greatness, his Magnificence. Be Warned. When Judgement comes there will be those who will be Saved and those who will Die in Hell. Jesus was Merciful but God is Not. Anyone who doubts His right to Rule the Heavens is working for Lucifer. You will All be Judged in the End Times. The Time is Near. May God help us Faithful to Overcome the Unbelievers and Evil Atheists.

    Isaiah 26:21
    For behold, the Lord is coming out from his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity, and the earth will disclose the blood shed on it, and will no more cover its slain.

    • Xrfd


    • Anjie

      You make me puke. Go away.

    • GodIsACunt

      you need to go for a cat scan mate.

    • jjjj

      You are narrow minded idiot. Evil Atheists? are you kidding me? People like you are the ones who are evil. Wishing bad and a eternity in hell and torture simply because we don’t believe what you do…Please do not produce any children. You will only teach them hate.

      • terft

        I’m a Christian and I totally agree with you. Too much of anything (especially religion) is a very bad thing and an ideal balance needs to be preserved in all aspects of life. That being said, I do not condone “moderate Christianity” because, when I myself attempt to practice this, all hell breaks loose. Literally. Though I cannot surmise what happens after we breathe our last breath, I must be adamant in my assertion that heaven and hell are imminent (ever-present) experiences that guide the faithful in Christ to a Christ-like relationship with the Father. I consider myself a rational, sensible person, but there are just too many remarkable incidents to be chalked up to unintended coincidence.

        Hell and heaven are as much an observable facet of life as they are fundamental forces in the universe itself. Every aspect of our universe has potential to be creative (to produce conditions for the development of more complex structures) or destructive (to destroy via an overabundance of energy bombardment). This is also true with every decision we humans make, and the perception of duality between selflessness and selfishness is a self-proven, immutable law regardless of scientific advancements in the modern world.

    • SATAN

      It is the Christian who is evil. You have 0 proof to back up your statement. come back when you have something truthful to say.

    • Sekhmet73

      If your imaginary friend comes down on the rest of us thinkers with
      fire AND blizzards, wouldn’t we just be comfortable at some point?
      Also, stop quoting the bible as proof. I can write anything outlandish
      and point to it as it’s own proof. It would mean just as much as your

    • bangel

      You’re 6,717 miles from where Christianity originated. Do you, as a 21st Century American, have anything in common with those sheep-herding people from 2,000 years ago???

  • WarIsaRacketBySmedleyButler

    Yeah sorry I don’t believe in talking snakes, talking donkeys, virgins getting pregnant, slavery, genocide, or God choosing to be a certain peoples’ real estate agent. Religion is without question manmade to socially and psychologically enslave the masses to the elite.

  • Becky

    The Bible is the Holy book of God and it gives me comfort reading it. Who is anyone to tellme otherwise. I believe in the Bible, Jesus and God. If you dont believe in it thats your problem. I will be saved you wont.

    • romeo

      Hahahahahhahahah. You dont have any idea who god is! God is not judgemental nor will he make a difference between human beings. Because you are a part of him. Everyone and everything is. You are poorly informed. Better take look at neale donald walsches books or videos called conversations with god. Have a wonderful day

    • bangel

      Really? Does it really give you comfort to read that we should stone gay people to death?

  • Joan Denoo

    Ricky, what possess you to say such a foolish thing as, “I’m hoping that Ebola cures all you atheists”? Are you aware of the role of christian dogma in the burning of witches in Africa at this time? Do you realize how much hate gets spewed by hate-mongers who even to this day cause harm to those who do not have the genes of male or female, but are homosexual. How can you judge another when you have not walked in his or her shoes? Religion authors wars like no other organization. The Spanish Inquisition, The Crusades, The Burning Times, the KKK, the terrible bindings placed on women by religious dogma. The even worse binding of telling men, males that they have some primacy over women. Of course, how can I forget the support of slavery, even in my country. Are you not ashamed of the religious history of our nation. Do you condone the savagery of Islam toward women, homosexuals, and other religions. Religious dogma kills as no other belief system known. I hope when you have a heart attack, or cancer, that you have people around you who know how to pray away these diseases. I expect you will eschew medical care because you do not believe in it.

    • Adrian

      Thank you for this voice of reason, logic and intelligence.

  • Ricky

    I’m hoping that Ebola cures all you atheists, homos and abortion freaks. The Ebola epidemic can become a global pandemic and that’s another name for a Biblical plague. It may be the great attitude adjustment that I believe is coming. Ebola could solve America’s problems with atheism, homosexuality, sexual promiscuity, pornography and abortion.

    If Ebola becomes a global plague, you better make sure the blood of Jesus

    is upon you, you better make sure you have been marked by the angels so
    that you are protected by God. If not, you may be a candidate to meet
    the Grim Reaper.

    • Augy

      How very Christian of you.

      • bangel

        Ricky is not a “Christian”, he is a “Paulian”

    • Kendred

      You should never hope that someone is destroyed, but speak truth with love, compassion, and empathy. Remember when John wanted to call down fire from the sky and Jesus said you know not what spirit you are of. There’s one judge of the world and his judgement is accurate because he sees and knows things from every conceivable angle and we’re just men.

    • Mo

      what bull are you talking mate??? if your god is almight and great why the hell did he create ebola?? so he can see his servants suffer? so his servants will be reminded of him constantly during times of pain and despair?? what sort of a god is that ?? and you so called god where was he before 2000 years ago?? sleeping in some cave and then suddenly decided to send a messiah and teach mankind his knowledge? youre a retard for believing in god and the grim reaper…im sure you believe in santa clause too dont you? Every disease is a natural process just like death and natural disasters …there is no inteference from your god or what so ever and only idiots like you will believe is such bull crap!

      • Percival Kalinksky

        Leave Santa Claus out of this… Santa Claus is the ONLY true God!
        I raised my children up to reject all BS religions except Santa Claus.
        Now that they are in their 40s they are peaceful happy people with great senses of humor and treat all with kindness and feel equally bad like I do, that so many folks have and are wasting so much brain power on foolishness.

      • Logical

        I can agree with everything you said except diseases being a natural process. I believe that we have created many diseases, both intentional and non intentional. The worse the food gets, the more disease and cancer.

  • Charismaticart .

    I am insulted, as a rational human thinking being, knowing that.without a doubt, all religion is a load of baloney, that I still need so called scientific minds to confirm that it is indeed a load of nonsense.

    • Laz

      Why not back up your statement you vile atheist? Do you not know that Jesus died on the cross for you? Are you blinded by your atheistic religion of hatred? Speak up or forever be silent. Fool.

      • Augy

        Jesus is a myth.

      • Nik

        Consider the fact that soldiers die fighting with terrorists to protect you, the common people !!!!

      • God’sACunt

        People are dying every day due to religious beliefs. If this isn’t enough to stop you supporting, then nothing will. No point in wasting our breath. Religion should be renamed to terrorism.

      • Percival Kalinksky

        Vile Atheist?
        Cool! I’m one too – it’s interesting how believers spout insults and hate… typical too.
        …Vile Atheist… hahahaha.
        You are a spokesperson for Christianity and spread goodwill huh?

  • Samuel

    All you need is faith. Do not try and analyse or think about these things mentioned that are written against us. If your belief is strong enough then that is all you need. Believe and obey all that is in the Holy Book without question and you will be rewarded in the Kingdom of Heaven. God gave us his Son and he sacrificed himself to you. Read the Holy scriptures. Do not read other things as they are false lies. Obey the Lord for he is your God.

    2 Corinthians 10:5 “We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ”

  • David

    Jesus existed because he brought love into the world. Without him this world and Mankind would not be saved. He saved us all. We must have faith in Christ as he is coming back soon. I have seen him in my dreams. I speak with him and he is in my heart. Praise be to Christ our savior. We await your return. The Rapture is coming. Soon.

    • L

      Can I watch while you are Raptured?

    • Religion = terrorism

      I’m sorry but you need to be locked up in a padded room, with a straight jacket.

  • Imari

    The bible has nothing to do with blacks. Blacks are African they believe in voodoo that is their primary religion and was thousands years ago. Blacks still live in huts today in Africa and still practice voodoo or vodun. It was only missionaries from Imperialistic nations in Europe that forced Negroes to convert to Christianity and during the slave era.

  • A.A

    I used to be Baptist but I gained knowledge and education over time. It just does not stand up to logic,reason and analysis that some people still believe in these fairy tales that’s all they are after all. I hear people talking about someone who walked on water as if it actually happened, I hear people talking about stuff like the earth is only a few thousand years old. Like WTF?? C’mon what is it with you morons? Are you for real? It makes my blood boil over and there is nothing I can do about it!!!

    • Fred

      you will burn in hell unless you repent your sins and come back to Christ.

      • Dinodas

        do not judge him, you prick.

      • Romeo lightwarrior

        Now you will burn in hell fred for condemning someone to burn in hell. Good for you! !!!

        • helldoesntexist

          it doesnt exist.

      • Nonbeliever

        Only place we’ll all be burning is in a crematorium. They say if you dont believe in heaven you wont go; the logical rule for this would be if we dont believe in hell, we wont go there either. Seem logical right? But no, you religious bummers make up rules as you go along.

  • J

    I grew up in a religious family but am not religious anymore however I do respect other peoples opinions and whether you believe in a higher power or not! You should not mock people in their beliefs

    You should not forget the bible is still a fascinating read and has perplexed us for many many many years!! My findings are the following

    The bible was written by thousands of different people over thousands of years some over 50 years AFTER Jesus was crucified

    The bible was marred by various people in the church adding and subtracting facts to make things look more rosier than they actually were

    For example: Jesus was a carpenter – no he was more likely a stonemason; Jesus birthday is xmas day – no it wasn’t no-one knows as they never kept records of births and deaths of poor people in those days and the monk who made the first year AD made a human error, Jesus was a real person who had brothers and sisters, had a wife and children too. Exodus never happened because the egyptians ruled the land and borders

    Jesus was crucified – FACT the Egyptians wrote this in their history

    Jesus was not the only prophet preaching in those days look at Jon the baptist he was a huge preacher with lots of followers and was beheaded by the Romans – the egyptians wrote it in their history

    Whatever your belief is there is no denying Jesus was a man who changed our history we still think and write about him, use our history AD – BC, he never profited riches from his teachings and we learnt alot from him but these were the poverty stricken days of Jewish people being ruled by Romans so Jesus was telling these people i know you are hungry, I know you are suffering but there are better things to come! We all as humans now still like to think there is something nice after we eventually die and people cling to this and some do not – it does not mean one is right over the other that was makes the world different

    I’m sorry but just because someone writes a prophecy of a messiah coming does not mean it is true that is man made – for example if I was Jewish i would believe this as i grew up with this instilled from my family and their religion. So please I am not mocking anyone its just my humble opinion

    Jesus dedicated followers depicted him healing the sick and turning water into wine – might be true nobody will know this or you have such dedicated believers around you that they want everyone to believe that he is the messiah bend the truth for him for you to believe these wonderful stories and put this in the bible

    Jesus never ticked all the boxes of the Jewish prophecy of a messiah – The prophecy never wrote of a messiah dying on a cross it stated the messiah would rule over the Romans and there are many other things i can list but you must remember YOU living on those days being Jewish would have believed or wanted to somehow to have Jesus be the messiah they all wrote about

    Whether Jesus was the messiah or not he was still a very wonderful man who taught us alot how to live and treat other people!!

    Whatever you believe just enjoy your life and be at peace with yourself whether that’s going to church every Sunday or thinking that is a waste of time

    • Casper

      There is no historical reference to Jesus’ life, death or the crucifixion―nothing at all. John E. Remsburg, in his classic book The Christ: A Critical Review and Analysis of the Evidence of His Existence1 lists the following contemporary historians/writers who lived during the time, or within a century after the time, that Jesus was supposed to have lived:

      Apollonius Persius Appian Petronius
      Arrian Phaedrus Aulus Gellius Philo-Judaeus
      Columella Phlegon Damis Pliny the Elder
      Dio Chrysostom Pliny the Younger Dion Pruseus Plutarch
      Epictetus Pompon Mela Favorinus Ptolemy
      Florus Lucius Quintilian Hermogones Quintius Curtius
      Josephus Seneca Justus of Tiberius Silius Italicus
      Juvenal Statius Lucanus Suetonius
      Lucian Tacitus Lysias Theon of Smyran
      Martial Valerius Flaccus Paterculus Valerius Maximus

      According to Remsburg,

      “Enough of the writings of the authors named in the foregoing list remains to form a library. Yet in this mass of Jewish and Pagan literature, aside from two forged passages in the works of a Jewish author, and two disputed passages in the works of Roman writers, there is to be found no mention of Jesus Christ.”

      Nor, we may add, do any of these authors make note of the disciples or apostles; increasing the embarrassment from the silence of history concerning the foundation of Christianity. In other words, the only information of the life of Jesus comes from Christian believers.

      Reason would dictate that if all the miracles which Jesus supposedly performed or surrounded him:

      1. Being born of a virgin mother;

      2. Three Magi following the brightest star forever to see the demigod;

      3. The slaying of the innocent babies;

      4. Raising the dead, healing the blind and lame;

      4. Having the sky turn to blackness when Jesus died;

      5. Earthquakes in the region;

      6. The zombie saints coming out of their graves going to Jerusalem; and

      7. The Resurrection.

      that at least one of these world headline news events would have at least a small mention by at least one of the foregoing historian and writers. But, NO, they are totally silent!

      • J

        Hello sorry I am NOT religious but Jesus was a real man who lived on this earth and was crucified by the Romans the Egyptians wrote this in their history ! You need to read real history my friend he is not a fairy tale story someone made up!

        • bangel

          The discovery of the ancient Egyptian text doesn’t mean these events happened, but rather that some people living at the time appear to have believed in them.

          • J

            Haha oh come on my friend you really are just looking at this with a black and white decision, I’m not Egyptian but we learnt a lot from their texts and history fascinating stuff but I respect your opinion

          • bangel

            I’d love to believe that there was an actual “Jesus Christ, Our Lord and Saviour”. The whole idea of Jesus is beautiful to me. But considering his life story is pretty much Ancient Gods stew….well, you get what I’m saying…

          • J

            Well not necessarily my friend there are many historians who wrote about Jesus – Christians, pagans and roman historians wrote about him and many well known non christian historians talk about Jesus (Tacticus, Pliny the younger & roman emperor trajan, flavius Josephus) they mention Jesus crucifixion

            Flavius Jospephus was a jew who was captured by the romans and wrote pro roman history there was nothing in it for him to write about Jesus – in the position he was in it would have been more beneficial in the power the had to not substantiate Jesus….but he did

            Do you know anyone who has lived and believed to exist for centuries and then to be disproved?? its an academic opinion that does that nothing else

            But i do agree with you in regards to saying he was the messiah again the bible has been changed so much and so much taken out we have lost the reality of what really happened and what he did which is a shame but he was a great man that’s for sure

          • Ruben

            The Egyptian coptic texts were dated at less than 1200 years old. Jesus was alleged to have lived over 2000 years ago but there are no texts from the time he wa smeant to have lived. In the coptic texts they write that Jesus was a shapeshifter. These were all stories being bandied around during the time the Christian religion was in its infancy.


          • graf

            i dont care if jesus existed in real life he exists in my heart and mind so there. if you have enough belief and faith you can make it happen too.

          • Logical

            Of course, the imagination is a powerful thing. If you had an imaginary friend as a child and never let them go, but just continued to talk to them, love them, believe they exist, they will exist. The longer you continue to make them live inside your mind, the stronger bond YOU form and create. Tell yourself someone is real all your life (of course starting at a young age has a great impact on that as the mind is vulnerable and developing) and of course they will exist in YOUR mind and YOUR soul (energy) or whatever you want to call it. Why do you think its such a disappointment when kids find out Santa doesnt exist? And he isn’t held up by others no where near Jesus so of course the relationship will be different or stronger. Same goes for any other person or “prophet”.

          • David Agbi

            What more do you need about the proof of Christ? Here is the problem; every time when it comes to CHRISTIANITY, any references to Christ get put down immediately; not even considered. Yet when it comes to macroevolution, it is automatically accepted. Why don’t I say macroevolution is incorrect; after all, there is insufficient proof. And you can say all this BS of compare two different animals; news flash, they could be TWO DIFFERENT SPECIES! If you are going to put Christianity down (not just talking to bangel, but to ALL ATHEISTS), first look at all the holes in your evolution theory and big bang, before making such rash judgement.

          • bangel

            Christianity has more holes than Evolution, Big Bang and SpongeBob combined.

          • David Agbi

            2 Peter 3 explicitly states all the nonsense atheists (and other religions/faiths to some extent) are trying to conjure up now.

            2 Peter 3 (NKJV). Only used NKJV to make sentences easier to read for our modern day:

            1 Beloved, I now write to you this second epistle (in both of which I stir up your pure minds by way of reminder), 2 that you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us,[a] the apostles of the Lord and Savior, 3 knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.” 5 For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, 6 by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. 7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

            8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us,[b] not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

            Also, 1 Corinthians 1:18-25 (NKJV)

            18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:

            “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
            And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.”[a]

            20 Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. 22 For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; 23 but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks[b] foolishness, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

            There is the proof. We jeer at the early apostles, but they knew what they were talking about. 2000 years ago, the very apostles you mock are able to accurately predict what people would say in the end times. Atheists are saying the EXACT THING that Peter prophesied and are playing right into God’s hands and ultimately, His master plan. So for any Christians out there, here is a passage to use when arguing with people not of the faith. I thank the Lord Jesus Christ for the mercies He showed to us and that His word is everlasting forever more. Amen.

            These are only some of the many passages in the Bible that reassure me of my faith. And Spongebob? Seriously? That’s the best you got?

          • bangel

            Humanity has been waiting for the “Last Days” for, what, 2,000 years????
            SpongeBob doesn’t have enough holes for you?

          • David Agbi

            The passage is still there. God knew what people would say. Peter knew what people would say. So did all the other apostles. Keep your faith in whatever you want to keep it in. I will keep my faith in Christ; you can in the alleged eventual fall of humanity. And the point of the phrase “A day to the Lord is like a thousand years” is not necessarily to be taken literally. It is just simply saying that God’s time is different than our time and his patience is very long, so we have no reason to lay accusations of Him having a “short fuse”.

          • bangel

            In the Qur’an, Jesus descends and converts the world to Islam, kills the Jews, breaks crosses, declares himself a Muslim and gets married. He dies after 40 years.

            If Jesus tells you to convert to Islam or he’ll kill you, will you? You do love Jesus, don’t you?

          • Logical

            Of course they knew what would be said. If I was telling you a lie and told you that if you tell so and so, they won’t believe you (knowing that they would question the lie because I suspect they know it is a lie) and you went ahead and told them anyway, do you think they would believe you? Oldest trick in the book, wow. I’d imagine the writers were much smarter than the common folk and knew their stories sounded so unbelievable they would have to imploy this method of early phycology .

          • bangel

            Yes, keep your *interpretation* of Christ. That’s lovely. I’ll keep my doubts

          • Logical

            Why does it have to be one or the other? Christ(religion) OR big bang?? Can we just accept the fact that we really just DONT KNOW what started it all. Humans seem to have this self righteous notion that we MUST go somewhere after death. It couldn’t possibly be all there is. We think we are so great that we just can’t die and remain dead, nothing else, nada. God telling me to trust words from men in a book is like telling me to trust the very devil he warns against. Give me a break. I can’t tell you if there is a superior being or creator of all but I can tell you that religion is man made BS for the weak and insecure.

        • Tanya m

          I agree. Jesus saved humanity and it is all of our duty to appreciate his service to Mankind. He was as real as anyone except he was real special. He could do things that other people could not do. My favourite moment was when on the seventh day he rose from the dead and went back to heaven.

      • disqus_NB4GFgfy4C

        Hi sorry but just because you read an atheist book does not mean its true that is his or her opinion

        There are many historians who wrote about Jesus – Christians, pagans and roman historians wrote about him and many well known non christian historians talk about Jesus (Tacticus, Pliny the younger & roman emperor trajan, flavius Josephus) they mention Jesus crucifixion

        Flavius Jospephus was a jew who was captured by the romans and wrote pro roman history there was nothing in it for him to write about Jesus – in the position he was in it would have been more beneficial in the power the had to not substantiate Jesus….but he did

        And just to answer

        1. Being born of a virgin mother; – Look up the meaning of virgin……there are many ways to interpret it for example – a young unmarried woman. Sounds sound like the virgin Mary to me

        2. Three Magi following the brightest star forever to see the demigod; – The bible has lovely stories some that are true and some that are not are talking about the 3 wise kings??

        3. The slaying of the innocent babies;
        What are you talking about??? since when did jesus slay innocent babies this is total atheist talk

        4. Raising the dead, healing the blind and lame;
        Raising the dead?? are you serious??

        4. Having the sky turn to blackness when Jesus died;
        Its called nature

        5. Earthquakes in the region; That’s nature, mount vesuvius???

        6. The zombie saints coming out of their graves going to Jerusalem; what on earth are you talking about???

        7. The Resurrection. – Yes Jesus had many followers who believed he was the messiah and would happily bend the truth at times or was his resurrection real?? we will never know I am afraid

        • Duplo

          Please allow me to disagree. I know for certain Jesus never existed and is a fabrication. What about Tacitus he does not mention his sources. At the time of Tacitus, Suetonius and Pliny, Christians were already in Rome, so his source was probably hearsay. This is how Christianity started. No one has the original texts of the ‘Annals’ by Tacitus and there are many inconsistencies in the copies regarding Christians in the text which could have been altered from the original. For example Tacitus mentions the persecution of Christians but no writer wrote about persecutions until the 15th century. In fact it would have been useful for the priesthood to mention that passage before but they never did. Needless to say there are many smoke and mirrors and no one will ever know who actually wrote all this mumbo jumbo. DYOR

          • J

            Of course you can disagree! It’s fascinating stuff and so are you! so sorry you know for an absolute fact Jesus was just a fabrication? Prove it to me my friend! And also you are saying these roman historians who wrote about Jesus that’s how Christianity started? And your saying Tacitus who was a non Christian roman historian wrote about Jesus because it was hearsay? Yes I agree with you the original texts have been argued for centuries over the wording and authenticity but that is human opinion and everyone has a right to that just like you and I have on this subject

          • Duplo

            Yes at the time of Tacitus Christians and Hebrews were in Rome so they were spreading their stories around. Christianity started that way people telling stories and spreading the word. Soon the Roman Empire adopted Christianity for their purposes and the rest is history. In those days people believed in anything they believed the earth was flat. If you compound belief and blind faith you can make people do and say anything. Jesus is a composite creation of many different deities. If you want to blindly believe in made up inconsistencies without question that’s your prerogative. There is no proof that he ever existed and you know this deep in your heart but refuse to acknowledge it.

          • Helen

            Jesus is real. I can prove it. Ever seen the Turin shroud? There’s your proof there now take that to the bank. hah

          • Sam

            LOL Let me see him get out of that one. Check mate. Well done Helen.

          • J

            I’m not religious my friend you have stated as a fact you know Jesus did not exist! But you show me no proof just your opinion which I totally respect! So what’s the reason behind flavius the roman historian writing about Jesus? Same again hearsay? Totally agree people did believe anything and yes they thought the world was flat and were easily deceived! Religion is a powerful thing especially when you are told believe and you will not go to hell and it’s the biggest money making scheme in the entire world.

          • Duplo

            The Romans adopted Christianity as much as they adopted their previous gods from the Greeks.
            It is well known amongst scholars that the passages of Flavius Josephus were altered after the Christian expansion.
            Please I need some proof not hearsay and alterations by blind believers who have unquestioning faith in tales written by tricksters.

          • J

            Listen my friend it ALL comes to your own opinion scholars have been going back and forth for centuries arguing over the accuracy and alteration of historians who wrote about Jesus! I know what you are saying show me proof well that’s like saying ok you don’t think Jesus was real you show me proof! None of us can and that is where the religious vs aethiest arguement all stems from. The bible is still a fascinating read and has perplexed many people for many centuries

          • Ruth Wilkes

            If you don’t have faith you don’t have a soul you will die alone that’s why I believe. I know there’s no proof in Jesus and he is probably made up but I like the tradition of Christianity. I was taught from a young age not to question but just to believe.

        • WhatMoreCanISay

          Those people you named were all part of Constantine’s fraud. There was a Jesus alright…over 20 of them throughout the history of the world in different religions. They concocted a regurgitated story and fed it to people as something new. This was presented to people back around the 4th century when no one that could’ve possibly survived from the said Christ era was around to corroborate or refute it….kinda like now. They told people, “hey this happened a long time ago”…basically.

      • Kendred

        I can tell that you have studied and did your research and I respect that, but we have to remember that us as human beings have a tendency to be affected by confirmation bias, myself included. There is still a lot of disputes about Jesus’s deity,but his existence and influence has been universally embraced by most scholars and It’s almost undeniable. In all fairness they could be suffering from confirmation bias as well. I’m a believer in christ, but there are a lot of things in the bible that doesn’t sit right with me, but I have gain a lot of understanding and insight as a result of diligently meditating on scriptures. I’ve studied a lot of different subjects in my pursuit of truth and I’ve ended back with christianity.Jesus teachings are like no other man I’ve ever read, so my conclusion is as C.S lewis said, he’s either what he claimed to be or the most evil figure in history. I was paraphrasing.

  • gregqq

    The reason christianity stands out in this so called documentary is because it was made by a lunatic christian group who are out for your money. Can you really not see that?

  • Terry Fraser

    I once read that people in religious systems or who are religious people attack a persons character every time they do not believe in what there religious beleifs are , so this divides people when some one attacks ones character, who has the right to attack ones character when they do not believe on the same crazy beleifs, so many people do not give themselves the credit for being more lucky or have bad luck as the next person, I do believe people wrote religion to control other people and attacking the persons character is a way of controlling them, just like you reading this you can do what you want and think what you want as long as you are not hurting another person, but I think religion hurts people because it attacks a persons character.

  • Gordon Blair

    Society is all about convincing/conning/forcing the masses to allow those at the top to stay at the top. Religion is a tool used by those at the top.

  • doG

    Human nature in the biological sense creates gods in the mind irrespective of culture. We are simply programmed to do so. The key to scientific research is to understand why humans feel the need to create imaginary entities? If you think universally you see that humans need some purpose and they feel lost without it. This is why they created religious systems to try and rationalise the enormity of the universe. Humans created atrocities before the main abrahamic religions were invented, however those constructed religions were key tools of unity in the continued agenda of destruction as forces of power. The three dominant control focused religions of today are Christianity, Islam and Hebrew. These divide people into various sub sections and tiers. Religion globally does not unite people but in fact divides them and this why the world is in such a sad state today. which religious human invention is right? The answer is obvious there cannot be a right to a wrong, especially when human constructed religious ideologies and blind belief systems have no relation to reality.

  • Sam

    Those are interesting assertions. As I pointed out elsewhere your understanding of what took place at CERN is inaccurate and the clouds thing doesn’t hold water (lol).

    In someways I feel like I speaking to Kirk Cameron. He would insist that obviously evolution isn’t true. He would insist that I “just look around at the 100,000 other things” it would be apparent to me. But I would ask him to support his position. I feel confident he wouldn’t because he would find it easier to appeal to the “obvious” or at the very least gross misrepresentations to support his case. I expected more from atheists.

    And I find it interesting that some of your concerns were dealt with latter in this very thread but rather than enter their to discuss this you jumped in here.


    • Quidasempre

      but rather face it: you are nothing but a despered egotic contorsionist. a mirror-climber of those so easily found today in internet, alas.

  • Sam

    Zeus and the Olympiads were said to live on Mount Olympus but we know that no mythical empire is there and Hel and Hades were kingdoms under ground that people could travel too. But I wonder if even when these were discussed if they were metaphorical more that the idea of a literal location.

    Anyone who has dealt with children knows that they are quite literal in their conceptualization of the world and with this strict in their interpretations. Figurative language or vague concepts don’t make sense to them. The idea that something can be true and not true at the same time is an anthem to their entire conceptualization of the world. Like saying you are heart broken. Your literally physical heart is not broken but your conceptual heart may be. A child wouldn’t understand that one is literal and would kill you and the other is conceptual and explains an emotional state but is equally true.

    Now let’s look at language for a moment take the term sunrise for example. We know that the sun doesn’t rise and that the illusion of sunrise is the result of the earth’s rotation yet we still continue to use the statement of “sunrise” to describe this relationship between to orbs moving in space. If one wanted to be accurate, literally, they would never use sunrise but conceptually we all know that no one actually means that, and if they do they are ignorant or mad.

    I think this drive to literal truthiness is partly driven by certain atheists and their desire to interpret the universe as truthfully as possible and then feeds back to certain theists and back and forth over and over. This leads to theists who need to interpret Genesis as literally true, regardless of contradictions. The earth flooding and giant half-human/half-angels creatures roaming the earth and the such are taken as actual historic events rather than mythological understandings of how the universe and humanity came to be. This literal take is the same thing that seems to fuel many an atheists approach to understanding the universe and the understanding of religious texts. It seems just as imperative for Christian fundamentalists as it does to atheist that the Christian text reads as a literal flooding of the earth.

    The idea that ancient humans may have been as nuanced and complex as modern humans causes problems for atheists if they insists on such literal interpretations. The need to feel some how as though they have the truth and that those who disagree are somehow less human seems to be a universal trait though. And this need to feel superior is held by everyone. No one wants to be part of the 50% of humanity who are below average. Because of this we end up associating the groups we associate with with the top, at least, 50% of humanity.

    So the idea that God or the gods or what not lives physically in the sky or on a mountain top or at the mouth of a great river or in a physical underworld while looking just like Santa or Schwarzenagger or like a snake headed man or like an elephant man of course appeals to children and a certain set of the population will always be appealing but these are children and those fooled by childish thinking. To understand that the universe and humanity are more nuanced than this is, and with that our conceptualizations of the universe is important to remember.

    How much of this is actually the result of human imaginings and how much of it is biological with reinforcement from human imaginings is up to debate. We have an understandable propensity to view light as good and dark as bad just based on evolutionary roots. The same could probably be argued about the sky and ground and the relative position from which blessings are received.

    I’m not sure how old you are Rob but i have no doubt that you have internalized and taken for granted multiple concepts that may not be reflective of reality, such as the aforementioned belief that theists imagine a bearded man in the sky is what God is. I know very often I must confront and overcome assumptions I wasn’t aware of, even ones that are obvious in hindsight.

    I also would like to touch on a couple of other things real quick. CERN did not recreate the universe. CERN was able to gather data about henceforth only theorized particles. It literally smashed particles together in order to look inside of them to see what we couldn’t before.

    Also, you said “[w]hy, after we flew in the sky and didn’t see heaven, […] why didn’t you just get a bit annoyed but concede to the fact religion is made up?” This statement confuses me a bit and seems to be working off a number of assumptions. One, how old do you think I am? Older than the Wright brothers or at least older than sputnik? Or am I taking what you are saying literally true when you meant it to be figuratively true? Two, what do you think I believe about religion?

    I apologize for the delay, btw, I didn’t see your reply until this morning when disqus sent me an email. And Happy Thanksgiving, if you celebrate that type of thing.

  • Martin Mayberry

    The Old testament was written over thousands of years by different people in different positions (or walks} in life . David and Solomon were Kings some were not they were just Rich individuals. It was not a small group of people who conspired to write a book to control people as this artical leads one to believe. in Order to understand the Bible you must read about it’s History. Books can not control anyone. that is a laugh.

    • Logical

      Books cannot control anyone?? What the hell do you think controls religion and the ones involved in it. Its all in the BOOKS. Your book even says to follow the book. Without those books, there wouldnt be religion!

      • Martin Mayberry

        without you breathing their would NOT be a you! try it sometime? ok?

  • MO

    Can you imagine a world without religion? i can ..and its a world where people are not fighting as much,not judgemental as much and people are more tolerant towards one another! that is the truth… The world is few million years old,the oldest civilization 25 -30 thousand years old …and religion what a mere 2000thousand year old?? something is not right here… where was GOD all the other time ?a long vacation before he decided to tell people he created them and he wishes them to pray and repent otherwise satan will come and kick their ass haha…i really2 cant believe how millions can fall for this trick!!! WAKE UP PEOPLE

    • Sam

      If religion is man made then why would you blame all the atrocities that you do on that one idea rather than saying that it is somehow indicative of who humanity is?

      • Rob

        You idiot, lol, he is saying people do these things in the name of religion, as in, because they believe that their god wants them to do the terrible things they do.
        Mostly, if you take a step back, which seems to be something belivers are incapable of doing, you can see the worst of the above mentioned is normally done by a deranged person who conned his way into power by using religion as a fear tactic (as most religions have an ‘obey or die’ philosophy). Then, once in power, becomes infinitely hungry for more. I guarantee most political figures, even in the US don’t even believe, it just works so ‘god damn’ well why not use it!!!

        • Sam

          What I am saying is that these behaviors do not appear to be limited in anyway to religion. Nationalism, economics, racism all seem to be effective tools for this form of oppression and as a utility to acquire power.

          If you look at the entire working mechanism of how these horrors take place you will see it is not religion unto itself but rather this blind obedience and taking advantage of people’s search for meaning that seems to do it. I submit the Soviets and Chinese as example that are not religious of atrocities committed.

          For those seeking power it is any tool necessary and for true believers it doesn’t have to be god that is believed in.

          And a quick question Rob, if I had started by calling you a moron do you think that my position would be more acceptable to you or that some how I would be more convincing? Or is this not about dialogue and you would rather have a flame war?

          • Rob

            Yeah, China and Russia are exceptions, both in relatively modern times. I did say “normally”, not “always” and stand by that.
            And, yeah name calling is a bit childish I know, but so is saying cows are all purple because my mum told me so, and it was in a book written by someone before I was born… I am yet to see a purple cow, but hey, maybe science could GM one some day, but until then, I believe they are all purple based on those two things alone.
            Sound familiar?
            Oh, and sorry I forgot, if you don’t believe that all cows are purple like I do, then you are lost to eternal hellfire. That is the essential part, apologies for nearly leaving that out.

          • Sam

            I’m apologize but you lost me on the last part.

            The Russian and Chinese experiences are the explicitly non-religious, one could argue religiously anti-religious, but those aren’t the only examples. Manifest Destiny; the common European idea of building empires; the idea of many nations, from the Greek to Chinese, of being the only civilized people and the rest of the world being barbarians; the Mongolians feeling destined to rule the world; and the Empire of Alexander are just a handful of examples of the idea that some people are entitled to power and all that comes with it and some are entitled to nothing or are even subhuman. To put the weight of human atrocity at the feet of one human tool is a gross misrepresentation of what humanity has always done.

            The idea that all atrocities are the result of this one thing does a disservice to the idea of attempting to actual overcome these hurdles. It is as though you blame a rapist’s actions on the fact they were drunk and not because their is something in them that lead them to rape. If you were to eliminate alcohol then you would eliminate that excuse for a number of rapes and maybe a few of the rapes but it certainly wouldn’t stop rape of most of it.

            The question I have is what do you want? The end of rape or the end of the alcohol?

    • David Agbi

      Use scientific criteria and standards to compare religion. What if I turned it the other way around? Here is the problem. The english Bible has been translated so many times that the meaning of some places has changed, including Genesis.

  • Anon

    wow, the autism here, You all gather around dressed in fedoras and trenchcoats right?

  • Darren Evans

    It’s almost impossible to reason people out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into. People of religious faith are generally blind to anything that contradicts their belief systems, no matter how obvious it is that such belief systems are man-made.

    • Sam

      What is obvious?

      • Joevanna

        Clearly he said its obvious that belief systems are man made. Which is true.

        • Sam

          I am afraid I still don’t see how it is obvious. I guess that would mean that it isn’t actually obvious, right? Or perhaps obvious doesn’t mean what I think it means.

          Obvious is defined by Merriam-Webster as:
          – easy to see or notice
          – easy for the mind to understand or recognize

          So how is it easy to recognize that religion is man made? Is it because man is the only creature to practice it (to the current best of our knowledge)? What of science or human rights or dignity or respect or language or slavery or war or cars or architecture or ? Are these obviously man made as well?

          Only man practices science so it must be man made obviously. Math is only practiced by man so it must be obviously man made.

          Language isn’t so obviously man made as the range of vocal interactions between other animals such as dolphins, apes, and canines.

          Or what of slavery? We don’t see mass scale oppression of animals by other animals they way we do amongst man. But we have evidence that shows the domination of animals by other animals, the foundation of slavery. So is slavery man-made or just the culmination of inherent patterns developed by man?

          Is this same ability to develop the real root of religion? Are these “man made” religions merely just the development of inherent patterns and behaviors that predate man? Or are they attempts to reason out the understanding of phenomenon like math and science are?

          If you ask a conservative what is obvious about marriage they will most likely state that marriage is obviously between one man and one woman. If you were to ask the same of a liberal you most likely will get that marriage is obviously an agreement between two people, regardless of gender. What if you were to ask an anarchist? Would they state that marriage is obviously an institution of human oppression? What other obvious opinions exist on marriage. I suppose we can obviously state that it is man made, yes?

          What about slavery? For thousands and thousands or years it was obvious that one man or set of men dominating and enslaving another was right and now in the last two centuries it has become obvious that such things are wrong. How could something so obvious be overturned?

          What of the sun. It obviously rises on the horizon. Obviously. Go look for yourself. You will see that it obviously moves across the sky and sets in the evening. But such obvious data is not correct is it? From space it becomes obvious that we are in fact on a satellite that is rotating around the sun and that we are in fact the ones turning and it is not the sun that causes night and day.

          What of solid matter? Your hand is obviously solid. If you touch your keyboard they push against one another and do not pass through each other. But when you zoom in you find that in fact your hand, the keyboard, and everything else are obviously mostly empty space. How could such obviousness be contradictory?

          But let’s go back to your statement that you are (obviously) defending that belief systems are man made. What is obvious? It is obvious that people have constructs by which to approach the world. We have a wide range of constructs ranging from social structures to understandings of the natural world to assumptions about the meaning of words. How many of these are belief systems? All of them.

          But these belief systems don’t exist in a void. They are a result of mutual interaction between ourselves and the environment. So how much of their workings are actually not man made at all but rather extrapolated from the environment. Perhaps our understanding and interpretation is man made then, except the evidence continues to grow that we are in fact not nearly in control of our thoughts as we would like to believe. So how many of our blind spots do we say are man made but in fact are not at all?

          Now your belief system (perhaps obviously man made) leads you to testify as to what is true. As I have show above such assumptions are dangerous and not actually in accord with reality or fact, necessarily.

          Taking the position that something is obviously true is the same behavior that lead to horrors by all kinds of people from Orthodox religionists, to anti-religionists, to rapists. So many people claim this mantle of truth that just examining them in contrast would disprove all of them.

          So how it is obvious? And for that matter how it is true. Perhaps God told you? Or do you have evidence that shows the obvious? Although as I have shown the obvious is not necessarily accurate. And what of this truth that you posses. What evidence do you have to prove it is true? If it is your best guess you can admit that. There is nothing wrong with that but claiming it to be true is the foundation of atrocity.

          Thank you.

          • Andrew Dalgleish

            “Obvious is defined by Merriam-Webster as:
            – easy to see or notice”
            Darren Evans said “People of religious faith are generally blind to anything that contradicts their belief systems, no matter how obvious…”

            Therefore it would appear you are a person of religious faith and blind to the obvious.

          • Sam

            Who is Darren Evans? Why is he an authority?

            Whenever you are questioned or the logic or foundation of your argument is questioned are you always dismissive? If someone disagrees with you or doesn’t understand how you developed your argument is your first response to write them off? That, to me, is indicative of how one who is “blind to anything that contradicts their belief systems, no matter how obvious” would respond.

            Do you not see the irony of your dismissal when your position is questioned. Isn’t that really the uncritical thinking that we are attempting to get away from? I get tired of people, regardless of the subject or the position, relying on the “obvious”. This is a fundamental danger to the development of contemporary thought. Atheistic and quasi-skeptical thinking has become en vogue but seems to have as much foundation as many theists beliefs.

            Carl Sagan or Issac Asimov would never let you just get away with shoddy thinking. They firmly based their thought on inquiry, skepticism, and continual question rather than the shoddy traditional thinking most often attributed to religious thinkers. The same sort of zealous conceptual framework that fortifies Talibanic minds infests the pop culture atheists.

            If you have a position it needs to be support more than by “it’s obvious” otherwise so much of modern understanding needs to be thrown out. So do you have more than it’s obvious or are you going to lean on the same crutch that racist, religionists, nationalist, and enslavers have for millennia?

          • Andrew Dalgleish

            Some things are obvious. Gravity works downwards, the sun is hot, religions are man made. These things are no longer worthy of extended debate. In any case, as there are over 2000 religions in the world and there can be only one true religion then the rest would have to be man made. So even IF one of them happens to be right (and the onus is on the claimant to provide proof of the claim!) then the statement is still more than 99.95% accurate. Plus god visited me in a dream and told me he doesn’t exist and I believe him.

          • Sam

            Isn’t up and down man made concepts, like you assert that religion is? So how would it be obvious?

            How is it obvious that the sun is hot? Did you know that ice cream sales and murders increase together? Does that mean that obviously increased ice cream sales cause murders or vice versa? What correlations do you assume are causation that means the sun is obviously hot?

            Why can only one religion be true? Where does this assumption come from?

            If God or god or the Gods or the gods or the goddess or the Goddess or the wikiwikigaganagitalaka appeared to you in a dream good for you but that doesn’t suffice as evidence of anything. And how could the paradox that you assert took place actually happen? Such a paradox is “obviously” not possible. Or is the nature of reality actually one where the “obvious” proves nothing? If that is your new assertion then so be it but at least be honest with yourself.

            If you are just making faith based claims that’s fine as well. Just own up to it. If you cannot support any assertion you are making then say so. Say “I believe what I believe not because of evidence but because of faith.” It will be liberating for.

            Of course the most amusing part for me is your statement “[t]hese things are no longer worthy of extended debate.” An interesting statement to say as you perpetuate the discussion. Perhaps the most effective way to “say” that is to not say anything at all.

          • Quidasempre

            you are piling up nothing but a bunch of irrelated examples to prove irrelated questions…….

          • 4peace4all

            ‘Why can only one religion be true? Where does this assumption come from?’ – Which one?

          • Quidasempre

            what? people were “authorities” only when they support the position of people like you? no wonder that you take for granted “books” filled up with primitive mythologies!

  • Lawrence

    The religious maniacs are too far gone. There is nothing anyone or anything can do about them.

    • WisdomCh2

      Krauss pls

  • Christ is Our Savior

    The Trinity- the Holy Spirit helps us rise above the level of animals. Empathy, Wisdom, Forgiveness are its province.

    • Christian killers

      Yeah you mean like this..;_ylt=AwrBJR51S49T028AEVXQtDMD

      Dublin (AFP) – Almost 800 babies and children were buried in a mass grave in Ireland near a home for unmarried mothers run by nuns, according to new research Wednesday which throws more light on the Irish Catholic Church’s troubled past.


    • skat

      The Holy spirit, lol. Its called free will, we are all wired to understand that we are not to harm one another unless being attacked. Do you think animals believe in holy spirits? But yet they protect thier offspring and only hunt and kill out of necessity and have a general rule respect for others. Actually animals are better than humans in most cases, less brainwashed and pure.

      • Sam

        Dolphins rape each other…

  • Tony

    If there was no God or Jesus how come churches exist. There is a God otherwise people would not believe in him. C’mon you non believers answer me that?

    • Tictactoc

      People do not believe in God actually. They believe in people from the past, that said their knowledge came straight from God himself, so that means if you are religious, you believe in people. People you have never seen from a very very long time ago! And there is a God otherwise people would not believe in him? They would! Prove? There are different religions. That proofs that you can believe something that is not true. So, this also means that you would still believe in God and Jesus if it wasn’t true!

      • Sam

        Like atoms, viruses, nuclear physics, California, or (insert thing you have never personally seen)?

        Or what about the Matrix issue? How can you know anything you believe exists actually exists? Or history in general? Or anything?

        And along those lines, how do you know what anyone does or doesn’t believe. I appreciate where you are coming from regarding textual revelation but what about people’s personal experiences?

    • Humanity

      Churches exist because Man likes to make up stories to help them feel comfortable in the unknown. I want to insult you for actually asking a question with no logic behind it. With enough faith; anything can seem real. That’s why faith and belief are a mental illness when it gets too far gone.

    • Sam

      If there was no Zeus and Apollo, who would temples to them exist?

    • nogod

      Because people built them!

    • Joevanna

      Churches are man made. People believe anything these days.

      • Sam

        As opposed to before….?

    • Sam

      Is this satire?

    • Rob

      Dude, if there were no people or animals then how come poo exists?
      Answer is, it didn’t, we made it, just like religion.

  • Let Jesus into your heart

    Satan works in mysterious ways and he has fooled people who do not believe in him. Anyone who doubts Jesus’ teachings is playing into the hands of the Devil. All you people will burn in the fires of eternal damnation for not believing in God and his Only Son. Repent your sins while you still have time as the day of reckoning is almost upon us. We are in the End times now. This piece of work trying to create doubt about religion and worship is the work of the Devil. Repent now. May the evil spirits leave you. Accept Him unto your heart. Repent! May God forgive your souls.

    • Confused of Ascot

      Are you saying that the devil himself wrote this article? Really confused…I don’t get it how could he touch the keyboard, wouldn’t it burn up?

    • hedsy

      Prove it.

      • skat

        Science proves it every time. People only believed in the concept of God because long ago, concepts and theories could not be explained due to lack of understanding and knowledge. So how else explain it as a miracle. Like in todays times, some gets sick, it’s not god or the devil that caused it. It’s an organism, and it is treated with science. Doctors either alleviate or heal the patient. It modern medicine cannot save them, they die. No heaven or hell. Our spirits are a form of energy, I do believe the energy is released upon death to take another form, and not necessarily human. No such thing as heaven and hell.

    • Sam

      How often has this approach worked?

    • 4peace4all

      How do I go about it? Use Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism? How do I repent? What if I don’t have any sins to repent? Do I still need a religion?

  • HaydenHavok

    To my fellow Atheists: Stop wrestling with pigs. You just get dirty, and they love it. We all understand social construction. They do not. That is why religion is their crux. They dismiss any information that challenges their ideals, while we seek such challenges to enhance the self. It does not matter how much logic, reason, and/or evidence you demonstrate to them because the magnitude of their critical thought is obstructed and limited. Take note that none of these religious comments understand the difference between a scientific method that demonstrates an H1 and H0, and an unsupported empty statement.

    • Sam

      Do you believe that all people who have faith avoid challenges to that their faith and worldview? Are all people of faith unwilling to use empirical experimentation, statistics, and in-depth historical research?

      • Quidasempre

        the problem is that you “superior beings” use all these things in circular and sophistic manner, feigning to doubt about the existence of something but in order to get back to approve that it surely exists. this is called “sophism”.

  • PEIN

    If god exist, why don’t you die on a cross and see if you “raise from the dead” .

    • Sam

      I think, as man atheists point out about many Christians, you are missing what they are saying…

      • Quidasempre

        I guess rather that you are missing logic.

  • PEIN

    This page solo’s god neg diff!

  • HomoAtheist

    Religion is simply an ego-tickling drug that helps you survive painful reality.

    • Quidasempre

      specify: helps WEAK-MINDED persons to survive.

  • Gospels Truth

    If scientists are so right all the time how can you explain God does NOT exist? Cuz he does. He speaks to me when I prey to him every day and I speak to him. Only Godless ppl do not have a link with God. If you prey he will answer you.

    • D. Mount

      Religion is and always will be BS

    • HomoAtheist

      Yup “he” speaks to you, we know that. 😉

    • Secularisam

      So was god not listening to the countless victims of religious violence, like burning woman alive calling them witches, or children that get molested and raped even killed. I’m sure they pray hard. I’m sure all of the people in the nazi camps prayed really hard for days and days they even fasted. Was he speaking to them? Listening to them. And if so did he just ignore them and let them suffer? Or let me guess it was part of his plan right. All the rape and murder? So he only listens to you and answers your prayers because you are special. There’s no one there wake up. Your speaking to no one but yourself. Quite honestly it’s madness right next to schizophrenia.

      • Sam

        If God did exists do you think that he would answer all prayers?

    • Secularisam

      Oh and that’s like sayin how can you say fairies don’t exist or leprechauns, mermaids. You can’t prove they don’t just like god doesn’t make it real…

    • soulvac1 .

      ohhhh pleeeeeeeeze wake up!

    • AbsoluteReason

      The statement “God exists” is an absolute which cannot be proven true or false. Science refutes god, that is to say the the evidence shows his existence is unlikely. Additionally scientists don’t presume they have the answer before they ask the question. Further more there is anthropological and social science reasons why people believe in god, that doesn’t prove there is a god, but proves we create gods in our heads.

      • Sam

        What operational definition of God is refuted by science?

        Does the anthropological, social, and even evolutionary reasons that explain why a hypothesis of the divine would have developed disprove the existence of God/gods/whatever?

    • mark leslie

      I think you should go and seek medical advice for you may have a tumour or a chemical imbalance of the brain.for you have deluded hallucinating thinking.good luck

    • LibsNeedMentalHelp

      If you hear a god speaking to you, you need to be on antipsychotic medication.

    • SoTM

      It’s pray, sweetie, not prey. I’m sure god talks to you…

    • HatdenHavok

      Quantum Fluctuations.

  • Ryan

    So five years of research about $70 million later you come up with a couple of paragraphs taking the piss out of Religion and call it proof? This is total crap where’s the proof? I take the piss out of science all the time, so according to this article logic dictates everything i have said about science is proof that its a fabrication. Fuck Science.
    Anyone can say the moons made from cheese or we come from Apes.
    Sometimes i think that they just sit there smoking opium and publish their hallucinations. I mean your entitled to your opinions but for fuck sake lol

    • HomoAtheist

      Science is the fake and lies, “holy books” are very true and there is the evidence, “god” speaks to me.

    • AbsoluteReason

      “Fuck Science” well i guess you should throw your computer,phone and all other things out of the window because without science none of it would exist. Now lets move to your statements.
      First of all evidence dictates everything in science but looking at it from a strictly logical statement does it make more sense that our species evolved over millions of years or was created in 7 days but a god that no one has ever seen.? The evidence, how about homologous structures, how we share bone structures with Whales, Bats, Dogs, Horses,and Cats. Second, Biogeography: the study of the geographical distribution of
      species and their evolutionary relationships. Species appear to have colonized
      island habitats from mainland areas and then been modified by natural
      selection. I could go on all day but based on your radical ill nature you probable would just ignore it. I’ll leave you with a question how do you explain how we are 98% genetically identical to chimpanzees. You may want to pray on that or you could just look it up, or is that too scientific for you.

      • Sam

        I like but you know a lot of people claim to see God/gods/ghosts/whatever all the time.

    • SoTM

      Lol, the ignorance of religious people is truly an entertaining thing to see. Science is based in fact and proof you fool.

  • Gerard Geitz

    If the Holy Bible was man made as you write in this piece of satire how come Jesus has lasted in the minds of men for thousands of years and will last for as long as we are here on earth and depart from this realm? May the Lord have mercy on your soul. Christianity is the one true word of God and will live forever. You or noone esle can stop the true word of God and our savior Jesus Christ. You have sinned for doubting the words that he spoke and wrote in the Holy Bible. Satan is here now trying to decieve us he will not win. We will truimph over his evil influence.

    • D. Mount

      Fables have lasted in the minds of men, too! Does that make them true, as well?

      • Josh

        Most of the new testament is made up of fables. Fables used by the historically proven philosopher Jesus to teach lessons of humanity in times of religion dictatorship. Religion is man made which is why it is imperfect. The Bible is the word of God but you do not listen to the words of men trying to interpret the word of God for them selves.

        I have struggled many years with the idea of religion how it was created where it came from why we need it. And every answer pointed me to the fact that we don’t we don’t need religion. We do how ever need a teacher to follow in unity a Leader of humble and great teachings if we want what is ultimately desired by all “peace” why wouldn’t we all follow a man who lived to share Love in a hope for ultimate peace. That is what Jesus is too me. Not only was Jesus one of the greatest men mentioned during the time of antiquity he was also a man who has impacted many lives since then.

        • soulvac1 .

          …according to these fables, he also took many innocent lives as well…

          • Sam

            One mans freedom fighter is another man’s terrorist, so who is innocent?

        • Sam

          You have stated that people manipulated social organizations and constructs in order to build the power base that religion can be. They have done this through the willful manipulation, editing, and creation of texts, right? So how do you know that Jesus existed, or if he did, said and did what you believe he did? Why would he be an example? Why him and not so many others who have bucked dictatorships and presented “revolutionary” ideas? Why is the Bible “the Word of God”? From what do you draw these conclusions?

        • nogod

          We can all live in peace and we don’t need a god or a belief to live in peace, I don’t believe in god but I choose to get along with fellow human beings.

    • Mariah

      This is exactly what they’re talking about, the whole getting mad thing. I and much of the world know of the Greek and Roman gods who existed before Christianity, and they’re still not real. Really, the benefits of religion are for the government to control and the weak minded to feel like there is someone who’s always there for them and will love them and listen to them, and to comfort themselves about death by knowing you’ll go to heaven. You will never consider that there is a possibility that there is no god or heaven or Satan because that’s what you were taught since birth and you have been tricked into thinking you need it, into humbling yourself down to the point that you’re worthless compared to god and a sinner, instead of realizing you’re the most important and powerful thing in your life and taking responsibility for it.

      • Sam

        I concur with the self-empowerment of personal responsibility that you speak of.

        Along those lines how do you know that you are not brainwashed, that you haven’t been tricked? Would you consider this possibility?

        Do you think everyone who believes is weak-willed? Do you think that everyone who believes believes they are going to some paradise when they die?

        Do you think there is no strength in humility?

    • Sam

      Zeus still exists in the minds of men.

      The Tao Te Ching is still read by over a billion people.

      The pyramids still stand.

      Are these evidence that those beliefs are true?

    • Joevanna

      If the Holy Bible was man made how come Jesus has lasted in the minds of men for thousands of years and will continue to do so? …. Lets say me and you are the first and only two people on earth, i make up a story and you believe me cause you don’t know any better, my story blows your mind and you write about it, i kill you the next day and you die leaving your journal around. Years later people of a new society find these words in your journal and because they do not also no different, they continue to believe a story i made up along time ago they just read, and someone just believed it. Domino effect will now and forever start. And how has it continued in a society like ours in todays world? Well you try telling someone they don’t believe in god, it won’t make a difference really, at the end of the day the only thoughts you need to worry about are your own, and whether or not people want to believe you or your stories it doesn’t really matter. Regardless if you believe in god, its no ones buisness but your own. So whocares if some people say gods real, some people dont think so. But who are WE to care?

  • Jedd

    gods son christ jesus died on the cross for our sins so that by believing in him we can have life—belief in christ jesus comes from the father through the hearing
    of his words them that are in the holy bible

    w’ere living in the end times—each day the world situation grows worse and worse—and will continue like this until christ returns—bible prophecy must be fulfilled. Lucifer wrote this article he is in the words. We will cast you back into the darkness which you cam from. GO NOW!

    • AbsoluteReason

      You must be referring to the rapture, unfortunately that popular believe is a false doctrine.

      • Sam

        What is a true doctrine?

    • Sam

      Does the world really get worse each day?

  • Revelations4U

    These are the end days as written in the scriptures. It’s all coming true. When the Lord comes back all the unbelievers will know who is right. The devil is here now writing articles like that one above. Satan is here now and we will destroy you Satan we shall overcome you.

    • TonyHEART

      Well if there is a truly forgiving God then may he forgive me for not believing. I can’t help the fact that he has gave me a mind made to wander but has not showed me any proof of his existence. May he forgive me for all the sins I committed although he had given the devil the power to tempt me. Forgive me Lord for questioning what had been taught to me. Forgive me Lord for even being born or growing up on the south side of Chicago where my mom never went to church and my dad was never there. I should have listened to ppl I didn’t know when they told me to turn to you and not worry about what was happening in my everyday life. Forgive me God for you not being introduced to me the same way others have gotten to know you. Everything you tell me has not yet applied to what is happening in real life, so forgive me God for being confused. Forgive me all knowing God for knowing I was doomed from the start. Every time I prayed nothing happened, so please forgive lord for not understanding. The tooth fairy had a little bit more credibility than you. At least I found a quarter for every lost tooth when I woke up as promised.

      • Sam

        If you were in the Matrix what would be sufficient to prove it to you?
        Not just Morpheus telling you you are in the Matrix right?

    • Sam

      What is coming true?

  • Dwayne

    I strongly disagree with the concepts of religion being as "man made" and here's why. First of all, the spirits are very real and binding, they are not something to dabble or play with. There's alot of people who were involved in their chosen path that has changed their lives for the better. It's not changed by the mind or anything in the physical sense. It changed their spiritual sense too. Religion may not be science, but they were founded based on what one has experienced and grown into a very popular one which is why millions are promoting today.

    • AbsoluteReason

      Except nothing you said was proof of anything or evidence of any kind. Just an predetermined conclusion based on opinion

      • Jay

        Except nothing YOU said was proof of anything or evidence of any kind. Just AN predetermined conclusion based on opinion

        • Sam

          Except nothing YOU said was proof of anything or evidence of any kind. Just AN predetermined conclusion based on opinion

          Sorry. Looked fun. 🙂

    • Sam

      Personal experience does not constitute evidence. For example the gentleman in the psych ward who knows he is Jesus and has returned. Him knowing that or experiencing that doesn’t prove it correct?

      Or what of the shaman who has traveled to the Otherworld and returned with a cure for the sick? Does that prove it?

      What of the millions who do not believe in anything at all? Does that prove they are right?

  • Vieta Oliver

    At last I can read sense. My sincere heartfelt thanks to those who are awaking from the god myth, or even questioning this unloving, ultra violent and sick ghoul, refered to as "God". Come on my fellow humans, overcome FEAR ( False Evidence Appearing Real) and wake up to the true empathy and greatness of being human. Life is it's own creator.

    • Sam

      What evidence do you have to support that life is it’s own creator?

  • love computers

    @genev. then i am very surprised you are on something that is done by science itself and even know how to use it. not only that but if you hate science why are you even on a computer and using it? As i would say again what you are using is from science and logic. If you have a problem with it maybe you should not even be around any kind of technology or medicine that helps you out in your daily life making it easier for you. So if you really do have a problem with science then maybe you should hide in a cave and live there for the rest of your life because all the Technology and engineering that is around you (including your car) and all that you use is all from from science and science alone, this is the year 2013 moving to 2014 and beyond. The 21st century going to the 22nd century, this is the information age which will become more advanced in the future and the years to come. your comment is the most ignorant,illogical,and a pure example of religious Bigotry and nonsense which is the reason why the the western world in the 5th century fell into the dark ages causing death's of many. You should really get yourself some real education.

    • Sam

      I think we are all hypocrites. We all fail to live up to our own ideals and turn a blind eye to it, either consciously or otherwise. It is part of who we are from an evolutionary neuro-biological perspective, don’t you think?

      And I don’t think that the reasons stated are what lead to the 5th century collapse of the Western Roman Empire.

  • Dahlia

    I've read every single comment under this article, and being an Atheist, I almost doubled over in laughter. No, there is no proof to suggest there is a god of any kind. The fact that people blindly follow a (clearly) fictitious book written by primitive humans is deplorable. This disgusting book that you Christians are defending encourages rape, incest, murder, genocide, opression of women and slavery. Not to mention all the times you are told to kill someone who breaks the ten commandments. The stories themselves are ridiculous at best, if not a bad influence on a modern society. The bible was created solely to control a mass population, just as every other religion was, while having the benefit of making you feel better when you pray your sins away. How dare you shove your faith down our throats when most of you haven't even read the full bible yourselves. I keep to myself about my Atheism. I don't care what you believe, but it becomes an issue when you throw it into the school systems and the courts. I absolutely HATE Christianity personally, but I let people do their own thing. My own fiance is Christian and I love him more than anything else in the world. I don't challenge him on his beliefs and he doesn't challenge mine. Unfortunately, millions of people can't live peacefully with each other and the countless deaths of innocent people over the centuries are proof of that. Eventually Christianity will die out, like all religions will. Here are some truly gross passages to prove my point.

    Numbers 25:4 (Inhumane treatment by moses and god of war captives)
    And the LORD said unto Moses, Take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the LORD against the sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel.

    Exodus 35:2 ? "2 For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death."

    'If a man or woman living among you in one of the towns the LORD gives you is found doing evil in the eyes of the LORD your God in violation of his covenant, and contrary to my command has worshiped other gods, bowing down to them or to the sun or the moon or the stars of the sky… Take the man or woman who has done this evil deed to your city gate and stone that person to death.' – Deut 17:2-7

    'They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.' – 2 Chron 15:12-13

    Psalms 137:8-9 – 8 O Daughter of Babylon, doomed to destruction, happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us 9 he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.

    'All who curse their father or mother must be put to death'. – Leviticus 20:9

    Leviticus 20:13 ? "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

    Hosea 13:16 – "16 The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open."

    'Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases…you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God.'

    'If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods …do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him'. – Deut 13:7-12

    'If a man commits adultery with another man's wife – with the wife of his neighbor – both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.' – Leviticus 20:10

    Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. – 1 Corinthians 14

    Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent. – 1 Tim 2

    Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life. – Leviticus 25:44

    It's just nonsense. Even without the bull**** tales of 600 year old men building an ark that's big enough to carry two of each animal on earth. Seriously, Christians? Screw off.

    • Scott

      For someone who does not like Christianity has read a lot of the bible. Search you heart, sounds like to me someone is tugging on it.

      • soulvac1 .

        …reading the bible is the main reason I DO NOT BELIEVE…btw, you know that the bible was written by ignorant men when it describes the world as being flat…go read your bible…then THINK…

        • Sam

          Do you say sun rise? Does the sun rise? Are you an ignorant person for saying that? What do you think about that?

      • ObamaSmellsBad

        Ummm…would that not be called an informed opinion?

      • Sam

        LOL. Wow.

        So if you know a lot about the devil then that means maybe something is tugging on your heart?

  • Volly

    To the Christians:

    You worship a deity that murders babies all because a man said no. Don't believe me? Read the story of Moses again. What was the 10th plague? in case you forget – the killing of the first born.

    Now – how old does this first born have to be? It means all of them. A 50 year old person who is the fist born or a 5 second old baby who was only in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    By you worshiping a deity that did this (as written in your holy book) you condone this.

    Now I ask you Christian – why do you condone the murdering of babies? Saying you should not question God – then you condone the murdering of babies.

    Go ahead – defend your deity. I dare you to.

    I will simply refer to you as someone who supports the murdering of babies.

    • Scott

      God did bring on that plague to free his people. At that time, Israel was God chosen people. Also anyone who put blood of a lamb on their door frames would be spared. It was not just the firstborn of man, but the firstborn of animals as well. This is what is now know as the Passover and also exactly what Jesus did for us. The blood of the lamb (Jesus) will save us from our sins. His sacrifice let not just the people of Israel to be saved, but all people to be saved.

      • soulvac1 .

        %$#^%#*&^(*&&(&^(*&(*^*&^#%$#@!@!!! You delusionists are sooooo frustrating! Go ahead and NOt think for yourself!

        • Sam

          I don’t think that Scott isn’t thinking for himself but rather that his opening proposition, and the entire foundation of his argument, is juxtaposed to yours. This would likely lead to different conclusions and a different framework for his logic.

      • ObamaSmellsBad

        Can you hear yourself as you type this nonsense?

      • Sam

        I like your inclusion of “[at that time]”. It clarifies your current position on the “chosen”.

    • Dave Stacey

      Might have been some babies include, but how do you know? I believe the verse says “first born”, that does not say babies.

      • Sam

        James Cameron and Simcha Jacobovici did a really excellent documentary on Exodus called “The Exodus Decoded” in which they discuss how the First Born of Egypt may not actually be every first born of every Egyptian but rather may be symbolically the First Born of Egypt as the son of the King of Egypt who himself was the living embodiment of Egypt.

    • Sam

      According to what I understand the King of the Egypt ruled from a palace called the Pharaoh. Over time proclamations from the King were refereed to as proclamations of the Pharaoh and slowly but surely the two became interchangeable, much as “Today the White House stated…” is a stand in for the President.

      Also to take into consideration is that historically the monarch/autocrat/whatnot was seen to be the embodiment of the nation so the King of Egypt was Egypt, this is the origin of the Royal We (or so I understand). So perhaps the death of the first born of Egypt was actually the assassination of the Crown Prince and heir to the throne of Egypt. This could have been carried out by a slave or even during a rebellion by a enemy combatant and attributed to God, just as ones overcoming alcoholism or not dying in a car accident or beating cancer are attributed to God.

      Food for thought…

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  • johannes

    its not just america, im from south africa and living as an atheist is hard, everyone thinks you are a sheep lost and open for reaping, i get confronted every other week, im sick and tired of it, so tired that i lie and say im christian just to keep their bloody mouths shut, less then 15 perc of south africans are atheist, i only know two other atheists and they live far away. all i want is to be left alone with no one saying that is satanic or that is ungodly or whatever. why can christians just stop forcing their religion onto others, and im sure its not just the christians.

    • soulvac1 .

      AMEN TO THAT! Don’t allow anyone to force their beliefs on you. You can also remind them: where was your magical invisible man when all those innocent babies were starving to death…THINK!

      • Sam

        I feel as though you attribute to God the same motivations that you have. Why?

        Don’t get me wrong I understand that you believe there is no God. That being said why do you have the God construct that you do? Or are you using the examples and stated motivations for God the way you are to clarify the ignorance of those you feel claim to believe in Him?

  • Jonathan

    Thank you for this thought provoking rebuttal! You are a fine example of how religion has managed to maintain its grip on humanity.

  • Mike

    At last, someone who makes sense.

    To all these Christians responding negatively, it is precisely you that these sentiments are aimed at!

    If God is so omnipresent and powerful then why don't you stop barking and let him tell the man to stop?

    What place do you have to become a spokesman for God?

    Did he specifically tell you to?

    The last question was rhetorical, because he didn't. Just because you read some text in a book that you believe to be the truth doesn't make it so, so be quiet and think about what the good doctor has said for a minute.

    The truth is that you are to frightened to do this – if you really believed in God, you would shut up and let him worry about what has been said. But deep in you heart of hearts, you know that he isn't there and won't ever come to back up your belief. So you lash out. Only by crying out in such a stylised way as you have in your reply to this post and by seeing the responses of the other lazy, frightened people like you, can you feel safe. Your belief isn't real, it is programmed into you and you are simply too cowardly to test it. Go away and shut up.

    • Sam

      Why did you respond?

  • maggie

    If a supposedly loving God exists…..
    Why did he confuse languages which only divided the people
    Why is he letting trillions of people in the world get killed by war, by disease, by starvation,
    Murdered from knives, guns, strangulations,.
    Why does he let women and girls be raped, mutilated, die in child birth, give birth to dead babies, or babies with disease, illness, defirmaties….
    Why does some of his so called book the bible…have to be interpreted….why does God talk in riddles…
    Why does God allow paedofila, abortion, people been jailed innocent,
    God does not exist, get over it!!!! If however he does exist, he don't give a ****….
    Get over that too…
    Religion is all about controlling people….in order to bring in tyranny and fascism globally….in the
    New World Order…look that up and see fit yourself.
    Religion is nothing more than a tool of the devil.
    Jehovah's witnesses, the pope, Christianity, do the research…

    • soulvac1 .

      yes… the first order of business, if MAN is to survive on this planet, is to stop the delusion, and move forward as rational, THINKING human beings. Take note: the most productive and peaceful countries in the world, are those that the majority is non-christian. Just the opposite for highly religious countries…more people have been murdered in the name of religion,than by any other cause…combined! Think about that for a minute…

      • Sam

        I don’t think that stat about “more people have been murdered in the name of religion,than by any other cause…combined” is accurate. I suppose one would have to deliminate between actual killing for religion and using religion as an excuse, just nationalism, or even atheism. How many did the Soviets, North Koreans, Chinese, etc. kill in the name of Atheism. But is that really why they were doing it? Or was that a convenient excuse? Is anyone ever really killed for one reason or is always a combination of factors that play into each other?

        Do you mean “most productive” and “peaceful” to be linked the way they are or are they independent criteria?

    • Sam

      Are people loving?

  • Anonymous

    I grew up in a religious family and a religious country, I am now reaching my 38th, i was always questioning many religious aspect we are follwoing, i find it difficult to admit it's right, many clue was there i can see them, but was not daring denying the existence of God, now i am 100% beleiving myself and my reason, I've always been a more intelligent and different person from most of people around me (family, friends, ….) today i can see clearly the big picture, and to my surprise, i became a better person, more confident than ever, everything has changed in me, it's like i was chained and broke free, i don't feel anymore that burden on my heart, i want to live my life to the fullest, before i was just waiting to die, i only feel sorry for the years of my life i lost living in suppression, guilt, depression, and i feel sorry for my loved ones also, they missed the 1 and only life they've got :(. i hate those people who introduced religions and manupulated us, i hate the stupid poepole who beleived and still beleiving them.

    • soulvac1 .

      HALELUJIAH!! (kaff-kaff!) Yes! I also broke free of those chains of delusion! This IS your only life…live this life to the fullest!

    • Sam

      Question everything. Accept others. Love all anyway.

  • KC

    I hope your comment is satirical because there is no way any intelligent person can be that self-contradictory. You use the phrases "May lighting strike them a thousand times"; "Jesus please forgive these fools"; and "They will… burn in the molten trenches of fire and lava for eternity." All while referring to the same group of people… wtf! Then again you can't seem to spell lightning correctly so you might not be THAT intelligent.

  • kate

    so you saying that god is disperate to introduce himself to us and sending people like us to introduce him from time to time and keeping silent for some period then coming back again to try to introduce himself ??? i dont think a god will do this

  • Josh

    To whomever wrote this comment I am replying to….

    You are dumb.

    "Jesus Christ" was never a real person. Mary's last name was not "Christ" and you are incredibly ignorant if you believe it was.He also did NOT go by the name "Jesus". His name, that everyone at the time he walked the earth called him, was pronounced "Yahushua". which is correctly translated today to "Joshua". The name "Jesus" came later…..much later. made up by man. (source: )

    Your friendly (more educated than you are) neighborhood ATHEIST.

    • Scott

      Pick up your bible and read acts 7:44 and then re-read the article you posted. Remember the article you posted is man made. Jesus was not man made.

      • Sam

        I am afraid I don’t understand how your statement is a rebuttal to the preceding comment.

  • KT

    Oh my God, I don’t believe in God :O
    Religions are behind mankind retardation and failure, while the good and the bad are human characters, religion comes with “instruction” to do the good and abstain from doing the bad, but human nature is that when something is prohibited it is the most wanted, so over thousands of years, human were most probably wanting the bad that their religion prohibited and doing it even in discretion, which means human most likely committed sins while believing in their religion, thousand times more if there were no religion at all that existed and gave them instructions.
    When you tell a baby NO don’t eat this piece of paper, it’s not good for you, he will try harder to eat it, that’s the human nature, when religion comes and says do this and don’t do that, it’s confusing for the human being, especially when it starts as early as fetus stat, another example, some people likes to drink alcohol, they feel they need it because they are that kind of person who is always in tension, who needs external help to relax a bit, but when they have the freedom to choose whether to use it or not, they will probably abstain, or use in moderation, taking into consideration the many disadvantage of alcohol, but when their religion and family and community and country and almost everybody, says no don’t do it, it’s a sin, what do you think they will do then? The normal reaction is that they will want it more than anything in the world, and when they get the chance to have it, they will have a lot!!!!!
    What I am trying to say here, is that the people who invented religions had good intentions maybe, they wanted to create a better world by classifying the bad and good things and by encouraging people to do the good (you will go to heaven) and terrorizing them to do the bad (you will go to hell) they did not know that human had to go through the experience to know the good and the bad by themselves, which has created through the years a world full of unhappy, confused, chattered, disordered, tiered…human being.

    • Sam

      So having laws against rape and murder cause more rape and murder?

  • ELP

    Anyone who denies that this mediocre (at best) text was written by man and has absolutely zero divinity to it is just sadly delusional. It is a book which contains countless contradictions, laughable inaccuracies, horrible tales of immorality, disgusting shows of monomaniacal dictatorship, and the occasional spattering of flowery verse. If someone, if anyone reads this book without childhood indoctrination and knowledge of the support of billions (similar to those who thought the Earth rested upon pillars – oh, wait, they're the same group) while displaying the equivalent of a high school education, they would immediately discard it as a writing far inferior to other fictions such as The Odyssey and The Lord Of The Rings.

    • Sam

      You have clarified what you think wouldn’t be a divinely inspired text, so what would a divinely inspired text look like?

  • Dana

    May God forgive your soul whoever wrote this piece needs to repent for their sin. I bet they've never even rad the Holy Book. We ask that Jesus forgives these warlocks & demons amongst us.

  • Steve

    Say what you want, but there is undeniable proof that Jesus existed. Ever hear of the Constitution of the United States? He wrote that. He also invented the .30-06 cartridge to help our founding fathers kill off the dinosaurs to make the world a safer place.

    Christians = 1 Science = 0

  • Daniel Plants

    I am a Christian, and I just want to say, this article was written by man and quite frankly is absolute rubbish! 🙂

  • Sean

    Seen my own brain matter? No, but I have sufficient proof it exists via other means. There is no proof for a god.

    You write:

    “I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't and die to find out there is.”

    Nice idea, kinda like Pascal's Wager. The problem is you assume that the only possible god to believe in is the Christian god. When you add in all the other possible gods people believe in, you have to choose, and since there is only one correct choice, the chances the you have chosen correctly are rather slim.

    Personally, I don't care what you believe, no matter what I think of it. I do care about what you choose to try to write into the laws of my country, and if you're choosing to write in things that are religiously biased, I will be angry, and I will fight against those items being made into law. When you support laws that have a religious bias, you're forcing me to adhere to your religion, and I refuse.

    I suspect most atheists really don't care what you believe. What they care about is how often Christians want to force their religion on them via laws and publicly funded displays and people putting creationism into the school system and other similar things.

  • j

    The overwhelming majority of atheists wouldn't feel the slightest need to say a word about religion if evangelical nutbars would stop trying to shove their brand of it down the throats of children, lawmakers, and basically, anyone who doesn't believe their particular fairy tale, especially in America. Oh, and we don't have "beliefs". (At least, not religious ones) We just decline to accept yours without extraordinary proof, which has yet to be provided. And while I agree that scientists (Not sure why you felt the need to put that in quotes. That's really really what they are.) are human, thus error-prone and tending occasionally to let their personal agenda overwhelm their reason, at least science has a built-in error-correction scheme to deal with that. That's largely what the scientific method is for. Has religion got the equivalent? Nope. Science tries to get to the truth by ripping into a new theory and attempting repeatedly to prove it wrong. Religion has apologetics. Pretty much the complete opposite. Take a two thousand-year-old assertion by some guy whose day job was following sheep around and try to massage it until it fits known observations about the world. Good luck with that.

  • j

    Aww, you're so cute I could just put you in my pocket…. It's the frothing that makes you so adorable.

  • michael

    "May lighting strike them a thousand times "……………yup, you do sound like a wonderful Christian.

  • Jamie Hall

    I agree with you brother it is articles like this one that seek to undo Jesus's work he who gave his life for us on the cross. I am sickened to read some of the comments from atheists who think that the bible was a work of fiction. May lighting strike them a thousand times as the Lord will come back soon. I know his time is near now as the time of rapture is coming soon. Jesus please forgive these fools who are doing Lucifer's work. They will get what is owed to them and burn in the molten trenches of fire and lava for eternity. tHERE is only one true God and you will either bow to his throne or die an eternal death in hell. May God forgive you for your sins. God is all forgiving you first have to open your hearts to Jesus and the Lord.

  • GuntherL

    … Poetry anyone?

  • Harold Engelson

    Beware of those who try and discredit the Holy Bible. It is Luciefers work. His domain is the earth but God's is the heavens.


    Revelation 20:7-10

    And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison and will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea. And they marched up over the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, but fire came down from heaven and consumed them, and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.


    James 4:7

    Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

  • John

    So you are saying that you were there when he did?

  • Anonymous

    It's tongue in cheek. Get over yourself.

  • GT

    So can you supply the same scrutiny to the bible as you apply to the Dr? Wait for the full paper.
    Anyone that actually believes the writings in the bible is crackers. How many animals in the arc? Really? Get real.

    • Sam

      Do you think that all Christians are literalists?
      If they aren’t, does that disqualify them as Christians?
      Wouldn’t that be straw manning?

      • Kristi Wilson

        If you follow the text to your interpretation, what is the point? You are making your own rules. If you don’t have enough sense to behave morally, perhaps you should be eating applesauce, & given a nurse.

        • Sam

          So all or nothing?
          I find it hard to believe that you insist on such literalness on all documents so why just religious texts?

          Wouldn’t the question be what is the point for them ie. the reader? If they find meaning isn’t that enough? Doesn’t that give meaning to the text and a perspective from which to read it?

          Despite what some people believe, no one is an island. We are all the product of many dynamic influences. Many people and texts and shows impact us our view of right and wrong throughout our lives. Some of this development is predicated on neurological development but we develop because of those outside influences. I don’t care if it is Harry Potter, the Bible, or Battlestar Galactica the fact of the matter is that our moral outlook, and the behaviors that follow, are built on these insights.

          All of this I find separate to the idea of behaving morally though. I don’t care if you are a Christian (Dylann Roof), a Muslim (Yassin Salhi), or an atheist (Craig Hicks), your beliefs do not reflect your actions. If someone holds Randian ethics to be their code or the words of Jesus or the concepts of Nietzsche it doesn’t matter and is separate from their behavior. Much as all the anti-Semites or racists or conservatives don’t follow their beliefs to a logical conclusion and go out eliminating those who are “destroying society” very few people actually follow through to the logical conclusions of their beliefs. And then there are those on the other end who think more should be done about the oppressed or poor but never lift a finger to do so.

          Critical thinking is a necessary tool for all of us, but to discard out of hand a tool that someone finds useful is the opposite of that. But perhaps a Kantian such as yourself disagrees? 🙂

  • MR.Question

    I have to sadly agree. Any argument stated as fact needs to be followed with corroborating evidence. Seeing as to how strongly an article like this is likely to be attacked for it's lack of it. The article does point out some flaws, but theist have always ignored facts, logic and reason to begin with. To gloss over certain issues should not be a problem for them. This needs to be iron clad.

  • Where is the Science?

    It would have been nice if they had included a single fact in this article, instead of making it all about someone's opinion. "Scientists" are just as predisposed toward error and having their own agenda. I'm not saying that perhaps some of these conclusions aren't valid… I'm just saying they appear, at least in this article, to be based on **nothing** factual.

    Atheists tend to be even more militant about proving their believes (and telling everyone who believes differently that they don't live in 'reality')… than evangelical Christians!

    People who have already determined the outcome of their 'study' or their 'experiments' are quick to come to the conclusion they expect in the first place. Facts (and reality) are clearly lost because of personal prejudice.

  • Kalz

    but if everyone followed those rules there would be widespread massive disvrimination for lgbt's and there would just be all around terrible treatment of others. i do agree that some of these lesson are good lessons but they need to be removed from the book. because while they are still in a religious text, there will be too much hatred and discrimination preached as well as the suppression of human nature.

  • Don

    Maybe with or without knowing it your quoting Marcus Aurilius. Emperor soldier and genius 900AD
    If only more people would take life up, with his words we would be all in a better place.
    most if not all the books in the bible were written somewhere between 60 and two hundred years after the death of jesus. How do you tell people not to kill each other, create something that would scare them into not doing it Tada create a or gods. and what is the first lesson Obedience! What organization has more than any organization in the world! there's gold in those helluluyahs amen.

    • Sam


  • "God" cannot be omniscient as well as omnipotent in one; if he is omniscient it will not be in his 'power' (omnipotence) to have new ideas, should it be in his power to have new ideas he cannot be omniscient since this will mean there are things yet unknown to him viz. his future (new) ideas.
    Religion is beyond insanity.

    • Sam

      Interesting proposition.

      If one was all powerful wouldn’t they automatically become all knowing?

      And wouldn’t anyone who is all powerful by their very nature become an Eldritch Abomination? How could we even grasp that being the finite beings that we are?

  • Some say that there are some truth in the Bible (as well as in other religious documents…
    Well, here where I live on the lower South Coast of primitive South Africa we still have septic tanks and occasionally we have to clean them out and paradoxically, we find traces of food (pit mealies seeds etc.) among the feces, very much like finding traces of truth in the bible! But, in final analysis it is simply not worth the while picking it out and eating it!

  • Truth

    Lol yes, good guidelines put in place to make you a coward! used to help ensure that people will turn the other cheek when they see something violent are harmful taking place to others! Teaching you bullshit like oh, he must have did something terribly wronge to somene thats why he is being robbed and beatin with a bat! In front of your very eyes while you what? just watch and try to justify why this is happening instead of helping… "brainwashed"

  • sam

    you don't need religion to have good morals or family values. I'm sure the cavemen looked after their families otherwise we wouldn't all be here now. If you read the bible it says some pretty atrocious stuff about stoning people and killing. The bible says you're going to hell if you do bad things that's fear mongering. Then they say you get eternal parasise in heaven if you do good things. carrot and stick,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

  • Ben kirk

    I agree that scientist's have proven that religion is a lie but that does not dispute the fact that some of the teachings in those books are good guidelines to any life and if everyone followed the rules there would be no conflict. but that is not the case like with any view someone somewhere will have the complete opposite of opinion's on the matter so there are bound to be disagreements. There is no point in arguing who is right and who is wrong just get on with your own **** and be the best that you can be. at the end of the day do not force what you believe onto others just believe in what you want to believe in.

  • Colin

    Alan, your comments are understandable.
    To admit what your very senses tell you i.e. there is no proof of god or Jesus other than some iron-age scrolls means admitting you have been a bit of a gullible fool up until now.
    But don't let embarrassment stop you from taking your first steps into reality. Realising you have been had is just the first and most painful step.
    Reality is really cool so stop living in a tunnel and come join us.

  • mike power

    Has anyone considered saying "I don't know". Yes. They are called agnostics. If that is your view you are NOT an atheist. By definition, an atheist is someone who believes there is NOT a deity. They don't just doubt it, the firmly believe it. I am an atheist. You cannot prove a negative. It is about belief, on both sides. I just choose to reject belief in the sort of nonsense spouted by religion and its supporters.

    • Sam

      I always like this view on the agnostic/atheist paradigm.

      1. Agnostic-Theist: believes god exists, but the existence of a god is unknowable
      2. Gnostic-Theist: believes in a god for which he claims knowledge
      3. Agnostic-Atheist: does not believe god exists, but it can’t be proved
      4. Gnostic-Atheist: believes it can be proved that god does not exist

      Stolen from the Atheist Community of Tulsa website. They have a cool infographic there saying this too.

  • Russell Hatton

    Your argument falls at the glib use of the word 'we'. The question that you need to examine is 'what is 'you''.

  • Marco999

    Why is it that everyone has to argue one side or the other? Either someone believes in deities or doesn't at all. Both sides offer excellent arguments, although I am an atheist and so think there are no gods and religion is a form of control and explanation of the unknown in the absence of science. But has anyone considered just saying, " I don't know"? We are tiny creatures with limited lifespan, enormous imaginations, prehistoric fears, and only five senses which are themselves very limited. I can't see most of the spectrum of light. I can't hear as well as a cat or smell as well as a dog. So how can I KNOW of completely undetectable, supernatural beings or what really happens after we die? The wisest man in the world will admit he doesn't and can never know, and realize he must leave it at that. To argue the existence of deities is pointless and devoid of any actual proof that can convince the world of any argument.

  • Luke

    You're a fool that is being controlled.

  • Science ALL THE WAY

    Fuck your religions creating war, division and hatred. Science is real while you religious assholes deceive people – scientific men are HELPING the people.

    Watch this video of a man with Parkinsons and tell me who is doing something for him?

  • michael

    Millions gave their body and life over the holy land, slaughterd in cold blood. Over a book where much of its original content such as the 10 commandments came from the egyptians, because moses was from egypt. Then Paul the Apostle, the man who planted the seeds of anti-semitsm visioned the resurrection, yet nobody witnessed it, except for the people in the bible in which he was the author.
    Judas represents Judaism, it was not that the jews killed christ, but it was judaism that rejected Jesus as the messiah, this is the reason for such persecution that the jews have faced over 2000 years, all because of a vision from Paul the apostle, who was keen on starting his own denomination for his own self gain and glory, and regarded the torah as obselete. The concept of Jesus dyeing for our sins came fron the rituals of humans sacrifice to appease the Gods, which basically means the same thing and was practiced very regularly in ancient times

  • Alan Tisdale

    Jesus came to earth to save humanity. Why is some of you cannot understand this fact. Humanity owes him a debt of gratitude instead we get silly articles like this giving creedance to Atheists. When I read the Bible it uplifts my spirit and my belief is so powerful and strong I cry for the people who will not be saved. Christ gave his body so that man could live and now we need him more than ever. What do scientists know for surewere they there when Jesus turned water into wine, were they there when he fed the 5000, were they there when he cured the lepers and blind, were they there when he rose up to heaven to be with his father? No! My work is done here…..

    Romans 10:17
    Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ.

  • michael zagari

    Unfortunately up until modern times, religion has been used to mass the people in times of war and conflict. It is an establishment which with the state has enforced and imposed its religious laws upon its people in a brutal manner. Where to slaughter opposing religious beliefs in the name of God was accepted and was the will of God. This is still going on today. The clergy elite profit vastly in a cloak of deceit and scandal. It is the biggest human conspiracy of all time. Offcourse we should believe there is a creator, but humans are aware of good and evil and we understand what is moral. It is our awareness of morality and intent regarding the unknown truth that should be revered. The bible is a book, written by several humans on how they perceive the truth.

  • Mindy

    “I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't and die to find out there is.”

    For cryin' out loud! Why are people SO freakin' threatened by the idea of a God?! If ya don't want to read the bible, don't. But why make such a fuss over someone that does?! If you don't want to hear their 'religious ramblings', don't listen. Simple as that. But people deserve the same respect for their choices that EVERYONE wants. Why condemn them for a BELIEF? Yes, the bible (and other religious works) were written by human beings. If ya don't believe it was divinely inspired, chalk it up to a fictional piece and move on. With all due respect to these know-it-alls who THINK they've debunked the bible as a work from God – just because THEY haven't seen God – that doesn't mean He doesn't exist. I'm pretty sure they haven't seen their own brain matter, either. Does that mean they don't have brains? Using their logic, I would have to assume that's the case.


  • mike

    I definitely believe there is a creator undoubtedly. I dont think He is as we percieve him to be. We dont even know if he is spiritual or a physical being or beings who are more advanced than us. As we understand science more, then we can understand that there may be an advanced science and technology that would have had to introduce species into this world. Humans are learning to harness the powers of the universe in an artificial way through science. However God may also be a in credibly powerful spiritual being. The fact is the truth is being witheld from humans, and there would be many reasons for this, so it it up to us to theorise why? Like myself. I dont belive there has ever been one human being in our known history who really knew, understood or comprehend the truth, and if so he was not able to prove it with substancial evidence,. but there obviously is a truth, and many circumstances that may be involved, regarding the truth, thus this unknown truth should be revered, purely for the fact that we understand the difference between good and evil, wrong and right etc. In modern times we dont really need religion to be educated about morality and correctness as it educated to us through school now and we have the government laws and police to keep the community at peace

  • michael zagari

    Would God really allow to have His own spiritual Son to appear in human form to be stripped of his dignity and then crucified by the hands of his own creation, and watch humanity systematically persecute, torture, torment and kill 100's of millions of other human beings in Christ's name. The same would apply for other religions also. Why would God have such religions be founded and have humanity slaughter each other in Gods name, its just not logical. However we recognise right and wrong, good and evil. So if there is an evil and a satan, then religion would have to be the work of the devil.

    • Kristi Wilson

      While I don’t believe in such things, religion would be the work of a “devil”. lol What better thing to do than create little hate filled groups? Say the Christian devil is lazy, albeit a genius, he has em kill each other for thousands of years. 2,000 year day off seems like a pretty sweet deal. The wheels are turning, what a great little cartoon network show 😛

  • Sang

    I was unfortunate enough to be born in religious family, so before I learned to walk and talk or even comprehend myself and my surroundings I was already baptised and in their eyes a part of this sharade. Tell me, if religions are so great and supposingly "our choice" how come all of them try to recruit you before you even learn how to say no? Talk about someone pushing their views at you.. Wake up, you poor fools, for your own "soul's" sake.. Peace.

  • Shubh

    How do we believe that you are telling the relative truth? Ok, if you are, then how do we believe you witnessed it?

  • Paul

    For me religion is 'Spiritual Psychology'.
    If you follow its messages you will get healing and improve your life.
    Some people discriminate against religion because of the junk that is associated with it.
    Like this article for exapmle which is hate crime.
    Whether you believe it or not you are following God. To say that religion is nonsense is to say that
    there is no power greater than us which heals the cut on your hand or grows the plant in your garden. I think it's evident that there is something greater than us which i like to call a 'Creative Force'.
    I think it's great to have religion to follow but i don't think that it should be used to manipulate or to control people. People who hate religion or "don't believe in it" have never studied it at great length and are ignorant to the truth. Or the truth so far as we know it.

  • Silver

    True, just believe that exists. God is greater than religion, his understanding and goodness is much greater than any doctrine. Do what is good, hate what is bad, forget the all the other rituals/ traditions loaded onto our backs.

  • setapart

    I believe that religion is pure nonsense, but the scriptures that MOST religions are based on is the TRUTH. It is "religion" that took the most high's words and twisted them to suit thier own desires. If people took the time to actually read and research the bible (especially in it's original language) then a totally different story emerges.

    My point is read it for your self without any religious input, you will come to a very different view than that of most religions. The most high never gave his people a "religion" nor did his only begotten son come to start a "new religion", he was sent as an example of how to live in accordance with the laws and statutes of the most high.

    if you really want to get deep here is a little info that might start you on the right path: Most christians will tell you that the messiah's name is jesus, but how can that be? The letter J is less than 500 years old, this means that the ancient israelites would never have called upon the name jesus or jehovah or any of those other erroneous names. DO YOUR RESEARCH BEFORE ACCEPTING ANY MAN'S VERSION OF THE MOST HIGH'S TRUTH.

  • mohan

    GOD,EEWSAR,ALLAH- all these words fingers towards the source of creation,the limited possessiveness of body consciousness leads to ignorance and makes the mind to disconnect from source of creation,every moment the body is connect to its source,but the mind is in limited possessiveness of body consciousness.
    A path to reach the source of creation is religion,the existence without the source is totally foolishness,

  • Pirate

    Your prophet was a pedophile. Your argument, therefore, is invalid in it's entirety.

  • eskimo
  • Thinker

    Higgs bison is proof that nothing = something, religion fails once again, wait fossils what ? We as a species are always evolving, I see all this as a part of that we will one day have no religion simply because rational thinking and science continue to prove it faulty. You have to understand where all this came from , an area that has always benefited off of control and fear just like it has fed off of in other areas and what is the bible preaching most about ( although I do like how it is NOW teaching good some good morals ) ? The one thing that man knows almost nothing about, what happens after death. It is human nature to survive and surviving after death is this fear and is exactly why there is evolution. Get educated please 🙂 It will help the human species as a whole 😛

  • Muhammed Flaifil

    I think the guy who wrote this post was talking about religion not existing. He said nothing about God not existing. First of all someone or something must have created this crazy world we live in, and we call him GOD or as muslims call him 'Allah'.
    Now this is a sure fact that Allah exists because Everything can be not be created from nothing. So Allah the Almighty does Exist.
    Regarding religion(the holy books) there is no way to prove that they are exist or not, but we can use our common sense. Common sense says that if God does exist, then so does Fire and Hell. Good people go to Heaven, Bad people go to Hell. Holy Books are to make sure we go to Heaven by doing good deeds on this miserable planet. The reason why people are starting to believe that Religion is false, is because of all these extremists who are giving religion a bad name.
    If you don't want to believe in Religion- which I strongly urge everyone not to do – then at least have the logic and brains to understand that GOD exists.

  • clem

    The things of the spirit are foolishness to the normal man…so, i understand your anger

  • Gods child!

    I used to wonder how we became so lost and I just figured it out by reading these posts. If you dont believe in God thats fine but dont push your views on me. You people are so void of spirituality that it saddens me. I for one believe with all my heart there is a God and through my experiences I know there is a God and I feel sorry for the people of no faith. One day the entire world will know there is a God. We know the bible is full of contradictions because it has been re written so many times but I believe in its main point! Period! If you dont want me to believe in God prove him wrong and not by some self gratifying point. The dead spiritually are truly dead and I for one am so happy there is a TRUE LIVING GOD!!!!!!!!!!! Your scientists the same ones that allow your food to be genetically modified and [preach] to you its safe are the ones you allow to tell you there is no God. Man has lied and deceived us our intire lives I choose to believe there is a reason for our trials and tribulations on this earth and nobody can waiver that with a couple of cute remarks.

  • Brandon

    I could have not said it any better.

  • Sam A

    My thorough disappointment in this fluffy, fact-devoid rhetoric-riddled article (whose conclusion I nonetheless agree with) is matched only by the idiocy of the religious commenters.

  • meusa

    "If you make a computer, then you know what to put in its manual. YOU DON'T NEED TO BECOME A COMPUTER TO KNOW WHAT IS GOOD FOR THE COMPUTER." genius 😀 what a simple and straightforward way to point out the obvious self-contradictions

  • James

    It took five years to figure out that Religions are all nonsense? It took me about 5 minutes. Too many contradictions. If you want some good advice on the absurdness of Religion, watch George Carlin on youtube about Religion. It is brilliant. The only way to believe in any Religion is to remove commonsense and logic. It is for the fool minded.

  • encephalon7

    Can you provide any evidence (Quran doesn't count) to support your claim? This is the problem with the religious mind; you compartmentalize logic. You will apply logic to how you spend your money, how you drive, etc., and yet you fall short of applying logic to religion. It's a mental illness.

  • Snoopy

    About time people realize the truth.

  • john

    That is a myth. No one has a poof of that. I've heard this before but this is all bullshit and I am Muslim bty…

  • Sue

    i am waiting for the day when damascus is completely destroyed, it will not be long now, who are these idiots who do not believe in bible prophecy?

  • anon560

    I have come to believe that reasoning religion is very hard.

    This I think is due to the fact that maybe religious 'rules' or 'guidelines' are circular arguments in nature and people are mentally programmed to follow them since childhood.

    The concept of good, bad, right and wrong is taught since childhood, by relating to religion.

    Why does one believe in God?
    Possible answers you may get:
    -Bcoz someone wrote about it a thousand years ago.
    -Bcoz the world around has so much diversity and intelligent design.
    -Bcoz you cant create anything from nothing; something has to be present.
    -You got to have faith…

    The only good arguments, I think, are the second and third one.

    By my experience, intelligent design HAS to occur at one place or the other.
    Chaos is not an intelligent design, yet if you look at a closed system objectively, without any bias, you will find that what you call an intelligent design results from chaos. eg: stardust colluding to form planets and solar systems, etc.

    One may call the same system chaotic, another may call it intelligent. This does not mean that if you think the system is intelligent it would had to be made by someone.

    Next if something has to be present, for anything to be created, then what people call god must be within everything. My question – What is the fuss all about? This means what people call 'matter' is evidently 'god' as called by religious people. This must mean matter and god are one and the same thing.

    Personally, I think religion is a kind of tool to control people. It is somewhat ingenious how people can be controlled by foolhardy reasoning.

    I have had some experiences in life which have made me question the concept of god. When I ask about the reasons to those experiences, I get what I think are dumb answers.

    Even though I think the concept of god is foolish,I still think a few religions have some wisdom embedded in them, especially the older ones like hinduism and buddhism.

    If anyone can take the trouble, I would love to hear some better arguments.

  • Kabir

    This is five years is not enough to make this conclusion. Cont to search and gather more evidence and apply rational thinking without bias. Something will surely come out of it.

  • mark

    took 5 years? why not one minute of rational thought?

  • Narendra Gurung

    What would happen if someone proves this so called research is nonsense work. People cant live wothout religion.

  • nedclark

    Tony – asked- and answered over 2,300 years ago…

    “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
    Then he is not omnipotent.

    Is he able, but not willing?
    Then he is malevolent.

    Is he both able and willing?
    Then whence cometh evil?

    Is he neither able nor willing?
    Then why call him God?”
    – Epicuris

  • chris

    this would be more entertaining if it were true. it's funny, but it's just not true! people aren't waking up from religion in mass quantities; they're rolling over in bed and embracing new, equally ridiculous faiths instead.

  • Dave Smith

    Its amazing how many of the readers comments here cannot escape the Judao-Christian paradigm. If we give a minimum estimate that homo sapiens sapiens have been around at least 100k years why would god wait unti say 3,000 years ago to reveal himself. Its ludicrous. Also in these peoples minds he reveals himself to a bunch of backward illiterate nomads in the middle east when the Chinese have already been writing stuff down for around a thousand years or more. The god of the old testament is a cruel, vengeful, genocidal, pathological maniac and the god of the new testament is a misogynous, slave trading ogre that asks people to believe ridiclous "miracles" such as a virgin birth, death to life etc for people to believe in him. Then add the numerous transaltion from the original "man made" script and you end up with such an unbelievable story that you would have to have a lobotamy to believe it all.

  • tanja

    1. In the beginning of your rebuttal, you mentioned 'God is all knowing'. Then later on you said 'God came down to earth… therefore he knows your pain'. You are a paradox, man. If God is all-knowing why should He come down to know 'more' things?

    If you make a computer, then you know what to put in its manual. YOU DON'T NEED TO BECOME A COMPUTER TO KNOW WHAT IS GOOD FOR THE COMPUTER.

    Similarly, GOD NEED NOT BECOME HUMAN TO KNOW HUMANS, pains of humans, etc. Its illogical. If you say your 'God' needs to know something more, then it's not God.

    Jesus is not God. See Matthew 24:36 'But of that day and hour knoweth no one, not even the angels of heaven, neither the Son, but the Father only.'

    If Son is also the Father (very illogical), then why can't Son also know that day and hour?

    And according to Christians' own belief, humans are born sinners. Christians say we inherit the nature of sin. This is very illogical. How can a new-born be a sinner by birth?

    The Bible says in Jeremiah 31:30 "But every one shall die for his own iniquity:" and also in Matthew 10:38 "And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me."
    That means we are accountable for our sins. But you say Jesus paid for our sins. Please read the complete Bible.

    And read Luke 24:36-43, and tell me what do you understand. Did he imply that he died and resurrected? That he is a spirit?

    Please guys, use logic. Bible has got many good advises, and also bad ones that contradict the good ones. I don't believe in the Bible completely. No logical human can believe in the full Bible, for it has contradictions, vulgarity, pornographic texts, absurdity…

  • Jtag

    I'm from the Philippines and I don't believe in religion…. As far as I know my questions emerge as how our country's history was written. Philippines is once Spain's Colony for a good long while where they actually introduced us to christianity.. The problem is the priest back then was allegedly capable of doing crap things to the natives like rape and once control the society more than politics.. so which way to buy?

    If only there is a chance we can get to a different planet and ask the natives there which deity they honor and then they answered Jesus Christ or anyother deities here on earth, Thats the only way I could believe in any…

  • Tanja

    Not all religious people think for themselves, logically. Similarly not all atheists think for themselves, logically.

    Some religious people do think logically, and those are the people more closer to their faith.

    Scientists have found from the Middle East traces of humans 400,000 years ago. So we have to agree that humans have been on earth for 400,000 years or more. For instance, consider it to be just 400,000 years.

    Then God must have spoken to the first man, else you can't expect his descendants to be righteous until a prophet is sent. So the first man on earth is the first prophet.

    1. According to the Jews, Moses is the last prophet till now. He lived 3200 years ago. So the last 3200 years is a very short time in compared to the 400,000 years.

    2. According to the Christians, Jesus is the last prophet till now. He was here 2000 years ago. So the last 2000 years is a very short time in compared to the 400,000 years.

    3. According to the Muslims, Mohammed is the last prophet ever. He was here 1400 years ago. So the last 1400 years is a very short time in compared to the 400,000 years.

    So your argument 'One good point is how come God only spoke to humans in a small time period.' is ruled out.

    Here, you did not think for yourself, but I, being religious, did.

  • Diamond

    Mr Phil, have you read the Bible completely, from Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21 ?

    I say, you CANNOT believe in every word in the Bible, because it has clear contradictions – arithmetic, scientific facts (not theories, but established facts), logical (etc.) contradictions.
    It has got wrong prophecies and evil advises.

    It also has place which you can't read to your mother, sister, daughter; like incest between father and daughters, brother and sister, father-in-law and daughter-in-law; whore-doms of 2 sisters which the Bible explains clearly. Psychologists say, your behavior will be affected by what you read. So if your read such incest, don't you think your mind will be negatively affected?

    Do you expect God to produce a Word with many contradictions and mistakes and pornography?


    1. Scientific Contradiction – Genesis 1:9-13 says ‘Earth was created on the third day.’ (this is just summary of the verses, plz read the Bible for yourself)
    Genesis 1:14-19 says ‘The Sun and the Moon were created on the fourth day.’ (summary)
    Today science tells us ‘Earth is part of the parent body the sun.’
    It cannot come into existence before the sun – It is unscientific.

    2. Arithmetic Contradiction – 1st Kings 7:26 "And it was an hand breadth thick, and the brim thereof was wrought like the brim of a cup, with flowers of lilies: it contained two thousand baths."
    2nd Chronicles 4:5 "And the thickness of it was an handbreadth, and the brim of it like the work of the brim of a cup, with flowers of lilies; and it received and held three thousand baths."
    Did he have 2000 baths or did he have 3000 baths? 50% exaggeration? There is a clear-cut mathematical contradiction.

    3. Another BIG Arithmetic Contradiction – 2nd Chronicles 9:25 "And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem."
    1st Kings 4:26 " And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen."
    Its not with 0s, but it is written in words 'four' and 'forty'. 1000% exaggeration? This is a clear mistake.

    4. Logical Error – 1st Chronocles 21:1 "And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel."
    2nd Samuel 24 " And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah."
    No language in the world has these 2 words – Lord and Satan – as synonyms; or even as somewhat similar.

    5. God or Satan (acc. to the Bible) Lied – Genesis 2:17 "but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt
    surely die."
    Genesis 3:4 "And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:"
    Of course Adam and Eve died, but not as a consequence of this sin. Adam live 930 years (mentioned in Genesis 5:5)
    Acc. to the Bible, then, who was more truthful? Lord or Devil?

    Proverbs 31:6-7 "Let him drink, and forget his poverty, And remember his misery no more. Open thy mouth for the dumb, In the cause of all such as are left desolate." This is also contradicted by an opposite and real good advice in Ephesians 5:18 "And be not drunken with wine, wherein is riot, but be filled with the Spirit;"

    1. Father and Daughters – Genesis 19:33-35 says Prophet Lot drinking wine, and then sleeping with his 2 daughters, and both of them begetting a son each.

    2. FIL and DIL – Genesis 38:15-18 says Judas mating with his son's wife, and begat twins Phares and Zarah who are the ancestors of Jesus according to the Bible.

    3. Brother and Sister – 2 Samuel 13:11-14 describes Amnon raping his sister Tamar. After that he says Arise, be gone.

    4. Son with father's concubines – 2 Samuel 16:22 says Absalom (son of David) went unto his father's concubines, in the sight of all Israel.

    5. Whoredoms of 2 sisters Ahola and Aholiba – Ezekiel 23:1-49 describes in detail the whore-doms of 2 sisters. Verse no. 8 says 'and they handled the BOSOM of her virginity'. 10 says 'These uncovered her NAKEDNESS;'

    Do you think God's Words should explain in detail about such acts? Just the words: 'Thou shall not commit adultery' be enough to condemn such acts.

    Do you think Bible is relieable

  • Gold

    So there is GOD.

    It is ridiculous to believe that the GOD is unjust, because God is so supreme and that God is the most supreme. So God cannot be unjust not even in the least degree.

    So for justice to prevail, there should be punishment to the sinners. So there must be eternal life – a heaven and hell.

    For example, if we get Hitler alive, who killed our 60 million Jewish brothers, the punishment we can give is to kill him. But we cannot give justice to the rest 5999999 Jews. But God, and only GOD can punish him 6 million times.

    So there must be an eternal life.

  • Gold

    THEORY of Evolution is only a theory, not a fact. Theories are based on assumptions and often take U-turns.

    Darwin's Theory is taught at schools as though it's a fact. Darwin himself admitted that he has no proof for the theory, but he uses it as it helps him to classify organisms.


    Scientists say Mars has got all conditions to support life, but there has been no record of life on Mars. Why can't life exist in Mars? Because it can exist only by the Will of God.

    So, you atheist, GOD SPOT in brain is a solid evidence that God exists.

    I don't believe in many gods, god with wife or parents, or god begetting children, but i believe in one God.

    As to the question 'Who created God?', let me tell you, it is like asking 'What is the sex of the child who was came out of Mr JACK's womb?' BY DEFINITION, MAN CAN'T GIVE BIRTH. So such question of the sex of the child who was given birth by man does not arise. Similarly, BY DEFINITION, GOD IS UNCREATED.

    • Kristi Wilson

      Life has exacting standards. Mars is too small to hold atmospheric conditions for human life. After the first billion years, the planet ceased being habitable. Earth on the other hand is in the perfect spot, exact size, distance to the sun, and of course atmosphere for organic life forms. I am not as versed in the Mr. Jack you speak of. I suppose he was born a female, therefor all the parts are in play for pregnancy. Adding hydraulics does not make him a man with a miraculous conception story.

  • Gold

    All prophets done many miracles, not just Jesus.

    1. Not having a human father does not imply that he is the son of God, to be worshiped. If so, then Adam is a greater son of God because he had no father and no mother.

    2. Jesus said in Matthew 11:11 "Among them that are born of women there hath not arisen a greater than John the Baptist". When you say Jesus is greatest you are saying something against what he said.

    3. Matthew 14:2 says "This is John the baptist; he is risen from the dead; and therefore do these powers work in him." So even if you prove that Jesus is unique as he resurrected, he is not unique.

    4. Luke 11:20 says "But if I by the finger of God cast out demons". Yes, he did miracles, healed the sick, all with God's permissions. He did NOT say 'I cast out demons'.

    5. In Psalms 146:3 says "Put not your trust in princes, Nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help." Now I'm asking you Christians, what is he implying from this? That he is god?

    6. And any Christian please explain the incest the 'Word of God' associate to prophets. What is the moral of such things in Bible? Examples of such incest from Bible:

    i) Father and Daughters – Genesis 19:33-35 says Prophet Lot drinking wine, and then sleeping with his 2 daughters, and both of them begetting a son each.

    ii) FIL and DIL – Genesis 38:15-18 says Judas mating with his son's wife, and begat twins Phares and Zarah who are the ancestors of Jesus according to the Bible.

  • Gold

    Human being is the most complex machine, and the creation of MIND is the greatest of all creations, according to me.

    For such a complex machine the MANUFACTURER must produce and INSTRUCTION MANUAL (Revelations), and EXPERTS (Prophets).

    So comes the first expert Adam (PBUH), who taught his children of one Truth, one GOD, without a second.

    When people deviate from the teachings of experts, or when the society is in need of experts, another expert (Prophet) is sent.

    When a Revelations ceases to exist without interpolations, another Revelations is sent.

    The Torah got interpolated and now has many scientific absurdities like saying Earth was created before Sun (On Genesis Chapter 1)

    The Bible has all the errors in Old Testament and many contradictions in the NT between John 18:9 and John 17:12, where in the former it says 'lost none' while in the latter it says 'none of them is lost except the son of perdition'.

    Added to this, there are many versions of Bible, like Catholic Bible with 73 books and Protestant Bible with only 66 books.

    And now Qur'an exists as is given to us through the expert Prophet Mohammed (PBUH), with many scientific miracles like all living beings made of water, Big Bang, etc. One great miracle is that it has undergone NO INTERPOLATIONS because the Arabic text is still kept as is.

  • Tony

    I believe in God. As a Christian I have the same thoughts as you at times, why there are famines, wars, floods, thousands of deaths daily and so on. It isn't God that is doing all this, it is man. The greed for money, wealth and power. Take one part of it, the forrests throughout the Globe have more or less gone, it causes problems with landslides, which we have wittnessed in the last twenty years. One of the largest money makers in the World, is the arms industry, they wont be voting for World peace will they? I have only touched on this, not even scratched the surface. Satan also plays a big part in this.

  • Well, now. Will pray for you all D:

    I pity you all….

    Telling me that religious people can't think?

    Oh for pity's sake! I'm a becoming scientist, I CAN THINK.

    AND I DO BELIEVE. Its a marriage of how god works and thinking in science..

    At this point, god is a little GENIUS. ._.


    Tsk….. The unwillingness to possibly acknowledge something outside of yourself…(shakes head) And always knowing that SOMETHING must always come from SOMETHING.

    BBuutt, I guess this is why in church they always say "The mystery of faith"

  • Fred Strand

    Religion always talks about how wonderful it is yet followers can't cope with anyone disbelieving..WHY! In their minds they think they are safe come judgement day, that's if they don't die before. Believers are no different to non-believers, they get all the same illnesses, they lie and cheat just as any other cross section of mankind, they cheat on their wives and abuse children, probably more often than any non-believers, they believe that if they admit they sinned they'll be saved, wouldn't it be better if followers of religion actually practised what they preach and leave non-believers to lead good and happy lives actually caring for each other as human beings and not existing in, and living, what they believe to be a lie.
    Leave us alone, just try and sort out the violence and hate religions and factions within your religions have for each other, because non-believers are quite happy to be judged by God should he turn up one day, but one thing we don't need is some half wit threatening us with all sorts of evil. One more fact…if Jesus or Mohammed did return to Earth they would be killed by believers, they wouldn't and couldn't accept it, just as before they would be ordinary men with nothing but words, they would be disbelieved and killed. Only people who don't believe in God would welcome them with open arms, maybe we are the true believers because we demand nothing from any God, we simply care about Mankind regardless of sex, race, colour, ability, disability, and surely no God could want more from anyone. No religion welcomes all without some kind of rule and regulation.
    If you believe in God then put your self in his place, what would you want of mankind? People bowing down and creeping "Oh look at me God I'm such a true believer, can I have a new car" or people who get on with life asking nothing of you, only that you true and fair. That's not much to ask for is it?
    As for heaven well this is it, this beautiful world to enjoy for as long as time and chance allows, enjoy life, don't complicate it with a pointless passtime like religion. God wouldn't want you too! I usually say if asked that I'm quite happy to believe in something beyond this world, God if that's how you see it, but religion leaves me cold, it's too political and has mans dirty fingerprints all over it. FS

  • Stephen

    I think this article poses a great challenge to all religions, and is also one that has been addressed many times so it is not new that certain people believe religion is man-made. I'd like to offer my rebuttal. I agree, religion can be controlling. However, think about it in truth. By definition, God is all knowing and therefore can make better decisions than we can. He is also all loving so he wants what is best for us. So what is seen as controlling (the commands of God) is in fact the best path we could possibly take (are not a burden) – 1 John 5:3. Therefore, it is completely rational to listen to everything God says. The reason we follow what God says is because he created life, therefore he knows the best way to live it. Those who know and understand God, understand that he did not come to create a religion, but to save the people he created from the devil, who does in fact exist as temptation away from all things righteous. The thing people should try to understand is that by trying to disprove God saying he is to blame for all of the bad things in the world, is only convincing people to hate the one thing that will save us from it. Will the bad go away? No, sin is here to stay, but those who believe will not die, they will live in heaven after their life on earth is complete. God did not create the bad, people did through sin. God did not design us to do bad things, free will gives us the opportunity to and the devil leads us to do them. We were created for good out of pure love. When a husband and wife get married, they have a child because they want someone to share their love with. That is what God did with the earth as our heavenly father. As for where is Jesus now and why don't we get saved now? Is it fair to save the believers now when not everyone has had the chance to know who Jesus is and believe in him? No. Wouldn't it be nice if we were saved now? Yes. However, God wants ALL of his creations to be saved and once everyone has had the chance to believe in God and the Savior, then we're good to go (Bible: Revelations). Yes, I am a Christian. Christianity is the only "religion" where God actually came to earth to be tempted by all things that the earth offers, therefore he knows your pain, trials, and fears. This is also why HE is the only one that can help us through lives as a human until we are brought to heaven, which is also real and beyond anything we can imagine.

    The reason the bible was written in a limited period of time is because the bible is an account of Jesus' life and interactions, it is not an account of history or science.

    Also, in this paper there will have to be an explanation for an explosion of churches within a VERY short period of time. The fact that this happened points directly to Jesus.

    Thank you for the challenge, this allows all believers to understand even deeper who God is and why we need Him more than anything. This paper will effectively further the kingdom of God.


  • Phil

    In the Old Testament God spoke through the prophets. The last book of the Old Testament talks about how God was going to be silent until He sends the Messiah into the world. 400 years (or so) pass and then there is the birth of Jesus and the start of the New Testament. So from my perspective God has spoken all throughout time, He used the Prophets in the Old Testament to speak for Him, and then He came as Jesus to speak us in the New Testament. I believe God is always working and speaking. This probably sounds stupid to those who don't believe in God or religion and I can respect that. It's all about faith in the unseen (as Paul says). God doesn't need to audibly speak to us because He has given us His word which is eternal. It's all about having faith. This makes me a happier person even though most of you think its dumb. I respect that people don't believe in God, it's very understandable. Jesus teaches to love everyone so thats what I do.

  • Sharon McDonald

    I agree, humans have been tricked by churches and religion into believing there is a God when there is no God at all just lies. Alot of people have been tricked into believing by religions that there is a Heaven, hell, when no place exists in the world. It is just rubbish. You do not have to worry about going to Hell when you die or believing that there is a Devil when there is not one.Stop scaring people with something religions like to call the Devil when no Devil actually exists. There is no Heaven. You are not going to Heaven when you die. The only place you are going when you die is your coffin. The End of your Life forever and ever. People are just going round and circles putting women thru the agony of childbirth when the world should be encouraging men in small countries to get vasectomies to try and decrease the worlds population until no one is left of planet Earth to ever suffer ever again. No one will have to die, work, worry about money, be sick, extremely ill ever again.
    Or be in pain, break a leg or arm, pass kidney stones, commit suicide ever again. No farmer has right to artificially inseminate cows or other female animals against a female animals will. Stop exploiting female animals for money. Please drink water instead of milk. milk is for baby animals not adults. Eating apples does not cause pain in childbirth. Women do not have to have children, men can get vasectomies.
    Remember the world is overpopulated in today world. 7 billion people. By 2050 there could be 9 billion people. It is dangerous to have too many people because of starvation, people dying of thirst, overcrowding, lack of housing for more people, diseases, no privacy.

  • Tan Yew Guan


    If what you said is true, where is Jesus now?

    we have so many diseases and sick people all over the world, we need him now, so where is he????

    spouting tons of nonsense about miracles sicken many!

    All credits should be given to the Dr. who are doing their best to cure and heal the patients, just stop mentioning "What Jesus can do" while he is no where to be seen when needed most!

  • Iraqi girl

    Torah,Bible Koran
    three books at different times, in different languages each one orders the same thing, one God and men prophets,
    Moses did not speak the language of Abraham, Mohamed did not speak the language of Jesus, but the books remarkably and in different times and places agree to each other
    why would God send down humans to earth? well that is a question, first if you are an atheist then I will ask you another question before I answer you this one, if you entered a library and saw great complicated books, so hard written on all languages, you read them but cant understand them, would you say these books wrote themselves? or say reacted with the ink and with the pens and the books came out to being? if you dont say that, then how could you say that the fish became a human, or the atom that exploded in the big bang created it self? the compelling structure of the atom, so amazingly created and homogeneously electrons orbiting the nucleus created it self by it self? or us, we have a mystery science can not explain, the soul, the brain, we think we feel we have conciseness, reacting elements can not create spirit, the example of books and library I took it from the genius einstien
    or if you are one of those who say we believe in a creator, but not any a religion, then you have questions can not be answered only by religions
    why did God create us on this earth?
    why doesn't God show himself ?
    why does God let us suffer on this earth, or why does he not punish those who make us suffer
    and save us from them ?
    first question religion answer you,
    God created us on this earth to test us, examine us, unlike angles, we make mistakes, we have the ability of making good deeds and bad deeds, we can either steel, or we can work, we can oppress or be just, we have an amazing universe we live in, everything is so organised and governed by certain rules and laws, obeyed everywhere in the universe, not just on earth, those to choose to oppress, kill, slaughter, steel,disobey the peaceful nature of creation
    second questions why does not God show himself?
    has he not? every where we look we see the beauty, the cordiality, organised system, you must be asking why does he not send angles? well imagine if an angle knocked your door in a shape you have never seen in your life then you would run and scream, and convince yourself you need a doctor, and that was not true, you would not listen to him no matter what, but if a man knocked your door saying you have been created by God and here is his message to you, you would read the message and see if it is from God, if it orders you to worship statues and myths, no one can accept these, but one God, no sons no partners, no one but one, you just feel like you want to believe in it, could be that God sent this man to you, and now making you believe in it
    third question why God let us suffer?
    first religion say God did not create us to suffer, but to live peacefully with each other, who oppress, harm and make you suffer will be punished, how relieving it is to hear that, we have enough food to feed the whole planet, people are starved because of the oppressive money system that makes hundreds extremely rich, and billions extremely poor,
    you just have to search for the right religion
    besides all religions order to follow science and education I know my religion does, my prophet said(spend one hour thinking is better than to spend hundred year worshiping)
    nothing in my religion more important than science except justice and truth
    just, honest state seeks for education and science, the problem is with those who sneak inside religion to deceive people to follow them for political and imperialistic reasons for power control of fortunes, these people religions says will be punished

  • Patrick

    Either this is heavily satirical or you're a moron.

  • religidiots

    We need people to stay stupid

  • John L.

    I have always felt the same thing about religion especially Chritsian. I was brought up Catholic but now have denounced it especially from all the abuses of children and cover ups. I see the bible mainly as an allegory and its just writing nothing else. man wrote that and God did not. Any people who believe that God wrote the Bible are mentally sick. Religion is a mental illness and hese people need to be cured.

  • LOL

    You're retarted.

  • osiris

    very subjective attack on religion. pure subjective propaganda in itself.

  • Believe in Science, Not Superstition! (Chinese Propaganda against Falun Gong)

    There is no thing as eternal life. The first life formed 4.5 billion years ago. Although this is preposterous, but the person who invented carbon dating said that the earth is only around 300000 years ago. And when people are touched by the "holy spirit", their brains come into a psychological trance and high where "God" is "present" in their minds. It is all psychology and evolution and geography! So those believers were long deceived.

  • Mickey

    Science is evil? then stop using the Internet and computers you fool as they come from science!
    The stupidity of religious people is epic!

  • deepak

    are you drunk?

  • Rumaiz

    Knowledge is a Sea of this so called supernatural scientist quench their thirst and come to a conclusion.. compare to the whole universe with there tiny brain's….let me a simple example any product in this world there is human inventor.. so who is your creator…?

  • Jeffy D.

    I would agree except many parents refuse to let their children think for themselves. My parents DRAGGED me out of bed every Sunday morning to force Christianity on me. Many religions look at their children marrying outside their family's religion as taboo and will disown their own children for it. Religion is based on fiction. I live my life based on fact, not the best sold fictional book in the world.

  • Jeffy D.

    Religion–Reason for lots of unnecessary death, reason for lack of world peace. Religion–The reason for many annoying knocks on my door. The Bible–The Greatest Fictional Story Ever Told. Thank you for nothing religion.

  • Paul G

    Religious people cannot think for themselves they rely on these man made rules and rituals to make it through life. One good point is how come God only spoke to humans in a small time period. Man has been around much longer and what about recently, nothing. I just find it hard to believe that Moses was the chosen one, that whole story is made up non sense. If you were raised on a desert island you would not know about organized religion and you would not know any better.

  • genev

    Jesus walked on water and turned water into wine. Jesus was born of a virgin mother because he was the Son of God. Wherever Jesus went he would heal the sick and crippled purely by touching them. If they had terrible diseases they would just disappear. Jesus raised a widow's dead son in the town of Nain and cured lepers. Jesus was also good with fish the nets would strain with fish when he so wished and he could calm storms just by waving his hand. Abracadabra. He raised Jairus' daughter from the dead and she came to life. This is proof that Jesus was the Son of God and a Savior to al Mankind. He fed 5000 men and and women with 5 loaves and 2 fish by making them multiply. He raised Lazarus from the dead he said come out Lazarus after 4 days in the tomb. Lazarus came out and Jesus said let him go. Jesus was on the mount of olives and Judas kissed him betraying the Son of Man, one of his disciples lopped off Judases ear. Jesus said enough of this and touched his ear restoring it fully even though it had been severed completely. These are some of the miracles of Jesus. No doctor or science can do anything that he did. The Holy Christian Bible is the true word of God. Jesus is God's messenger on earth and he will come back soon to bring humanity back from the devil. Science is satans realm. Science does not have the Holy Spirit, science is evil. Jesus and his disiples are the cure for man's illnesses.

  • errol

    I think this article disproves religion in one fell swoop. I don't know of any text or book that has done this ever and to see it done in one measly piece is amazing. Whoever wrote this or the scientists is a genius because this is check mate. I used to be a practicing Christian but now I really don't know. It really is stupid to believe in all of it, including islam hindu and judaism theyre just products of the human mind.

    Whoever is behind this has done a very very brave thing. I want to sit down these religous people and say sorry you must accept that it is not true and we have all been misled. I was misled, my parents and elders misled me, my church misled me.

    If there was a pill you people could take to cure you of your disease the world would be a much better place.

  • follow me blindly

    Tell me…what language did God speak to Moses in? And why is God not speaking to anyone in the internet and television era? Come on speak up!!!!!!!!

  • Jamie

    God did not write the bible, he dictated it to Moses, who wrote it down in the language that the Israelites spoke, Hebrew, so that they could understand it. Saying that the bible only being written in one language somehow disproves God is a very weak and poorly thought out argument.

  • Mustafa

    Lets see. You are born under very harsh circumstances, with little access to food and all the essential vitamins. As a result you grow up with psychological problems etc. etc. and you commit sins unforgivable in religions like Islam. Do you think you burn in hell for ever as Islam says?

    I think all religions are man-made and believable anymore.

  • Georgios Kintsakis

    What's scientific with this text? I can only see a fanatic belching the majority of the world population. All religions are living religions and millions of people can attest their transcendental experiences within an organized religious context. All of these testimonies are overlooked those a priori believing that there is no God. And all of this -certainly not scientifical- nonsense study persuades nobody, not even those atheists able to think rationally.

  • Nader

    To add evidence from our days… yuri gagarin first guy to land on the moon had heard the Islam prayer from there….. Can science explain this??he didn't say he heard anceint phrases and weird sounds, he said only the prayer call….

  • Nader

    5 years of what exactly? God nor the prophet put those words on the paper (talking about the sacred books Quran, bible, tawra) if you actually researched the material for 1 week you'd of figured out that in our religions words were passed to our prophets from god him self along with miracles that all nations witnessed, there were more than 20prophets that were sent everywhere challenging each culture with what they are well known for, Jesus with medicine (able to heal and bring the dead), Mohammad with poetry (no one could've make anything close to the way the Quran rhymes and people's hearts felt the words), Moses with magic ( 5 ancient magicians went on their knees admitting that he is a prophet even tho they keow they'd die for doing that)……. And much more…. We have our religions and we are blessed to be one of "Ahel al ketab" (people of the books) u guys better do something else before your lives run out, as for us we know what will happen in the future from our books from now………. Thank god for being born with a religion. You can't trust hemen with a nuclear missile….. Imagine the universe and it's balance…

  • Fatima

    We might be around my friend; in science; energy is renewable; so the energy that makes u and I alive will continue elsewhere and this is why we learn science and try our best in a sick world to progress because our energy; not our bodies will be there … I dont care to tell them "I told you so" latter; by being who I am I shall give birth to more energy and make mine science-oriented

  • robertfischat

    pls it's only a film(the god's must be crazy).

  • Ramzi

    The only word of god that is real was translated to the great prophet PBUH.

  • Maryam

    Jesus died for our sins so you should all be ashamed of yourselves for doubting him. When he comes back, you will all be left behind. Shame on you!!!

  • Yunusa Aminu

    Thank God if the religious books are Man made why did they wasted their time research them. They should have proof their scientific ideas as Natural.

  • Joan

    If religion was written by God how come he only speaks in old human dialects? If he was God should he not speak in all languages, all dialects. How come God does not speak now in the technological age? In theory God should know about technology and science too.

  • Jeton

    Don't you see that they want to be famous with that what they are doing , so if they are real scientists dhe believe in truth and not in famous , so they have no idea for themselves how the been created so how can they know about books of ALLAH…

  • x

    Oh, tell me how it wrote about you air-condition that cools your lazy ass that does not want to read any other book except quran.

  • The answer is in science

    Science has advanced to the point where we can infer something about the entire universe. This has been a great challenge considering how unimaginably vast the universe is. The countless stars you see in the darkest sky constitute merely 3000 neighbors out of about 300,000,000,000 stars in our galaxy, and as many as 100,000,000,000 galaxies exist in the universe. Humans have always wondered: Has the universe always existed like we see it now, or did it somehow start all of a sudden? In the beginning of this past century, we found out in amazement that the entire universe is expanding. This led physicists to deduce that the universe started out in the finite past with a minuscule size. Realizing that the universe had a beginning, and awed by its vastness and its creations, people have asked: How did the universe begin? After all, we are here to be amazed by it because the universe eventually created lives like us. Now, after decades of observing and thinking, we have come to answer confidently the question of the origin of our universe… with what is known as the "big bang".

    In 1929, Edwin Hubble discovered that farther galaxies are going away from us at higher speeds, proportional to their distance. In other words, the spectra of more distant galaxies had higher redshifts. From distant galaxies, light takes millions or even billions of years to reach us. This means we are seeing an image from millions or billions of years ago. In redshift, the spectrum is shifted from shorter wavelength to longer wavelength as the light travels from the galaxy to us. This increase in wavelength is due to expansion of the very fabric of space itself over the years that the light was traveling. If the wavelength had doubled, space must have expanded by a factor of two. Thus, Hubble's discovery was that this expansion factor was roughly proportional to the distance light traveled, or equivalently, to how far back in time you looked. This means that the universe was smaller and smaller earlier and earlier. The universe has been expanding.

    The big bang, however, is merely a global description of the origin of the universe. Today, particle physicists have consistent theories about the history of the universe down to only a trillionth of a second after its birth or even earlier. They can test their theories experimentally with particle accelerators that can simulate events involving enormous energies similar to the condition at the beginning. To learn more about how exactly the universe began, physicists must develop a theory that works at even earlier times after the big bang. Such theory must combine both the general relativity (because of the extreme gravitational field at the beginning) and quantum mechanics (because of the extreme compactness of the universe at the beginning). The goal of physics today is to develop this quantum theory of gravity so that we may one day understand what exactly happened around the moment of the big bang to get the universe started.

    more here

    Please also do your own research.. :-)))

  • October


    The world came from nothing for no reason because it did.

    Sounds a lot like the religions they're trying to disprove.

    Are we really this conceited that we believe we can know the unknowable?

    • Kristi Wilson

      That is the great question from both sides, yes? You can follow the atheist path of the big bang (or as I like it the big pinball game). What chain of events put our universes existence into motion? Do black holes both create and destroy universes? Or god created everything, then what created god, then back and back and back. Humans must have a starting point. Nothingness is usually the beginning, especially for artists. My grandmother was convinced her god was a restless artist. We cannot know, only hope to get close to an answer. Even with empirical evidence in god, I have zero interest in worship. I am not built for following a fumbling deity. Actually, I am so suspect of other’s motivations, I wouldn’t follow a kick@$$ god.
      I mean, I get it, my hub is a believer, non religious. Humans are so conceited they need to think their existence will extend into an after life. I figure F it. I didn’t know or care before birth, imagine the same will apply to death.
      The debate is heated because we do not like being wrong. Maybe a religious person could give me insight on why you cling so tightly to things only imagined. If I said Zeus is my almighty god, you’d probably think I needed prescription medication. Humans have made up these comforts in the sky FOREVER. How can so many in the 21st century be desperate for reassurance? What is wrong with being alone? Why can’t you rely on your intellect for moral decisions (humans 1 year are proven to chose right over wrong)? I’m quite nervous so many need a crutch to get through life. What are you without a “daddy” compass?

      Sorry to go on so long and outside your original question. I think the conversation needs to be geared more toward interest, compassion, and understanding. From an A’s standpoint, it can be maddening to have someone speak about things which cannot be felt by the hard senses. We are NOT likely tamed by the bible, as it was written by man. Man is infinitely fallible. I like the telephone analogy. The original good book probably intended to guide and comfort folks in troubled times. I read somewhere about many chapters being children’s stories and lessons, yet being taken as commandments. The parts about stoning and fathers lying with sons and daughters has me stumped. I have no idea why that stuff was included. Perhaps 2,000 years ago pedophilia/incest was the norm? Anyone?

  • Frederick Semlac

    These scientists are the face of the devil. Lucifer makes them write these terrible things against the word of God. You will burn in the fires of hell for your blasphemy and apostate demonic words. We must pray for your souls which have been possessed by evil. May you find salvation although the eternal fire where you will burn for these calamitous words you have written here are surefire proof that the devil is here on earth working against the purity of our Lord.

    Matthew 12:31-32

    Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

  • Nelia

    Attacking believers and calling them names, publishing anti-religion articles is same as one religion attacking the other as false and creating rage and disharmony. It is almost like atheism/agnosticism becoming a new "RELIGION" in itself behaving this way, the religion of "non belief" or of "only blieving in what science is capable of proving at this time" (while seeing is no believing in the first place), where criticizing the bad effects of religions becomes hypocritical. Because the new religion of non belief is demonstrating the very same undesirable effects of attack and judgment that they criticize in religions.
    It is all nonsense. The only truth lies in letting all judgments go and not telling another how to be. And if you desire to make ANY positive changes in the people and world around you, lead by example. And "Be the change you want to see" in this world.

  • Abidul Huda Chowdhury

    if you scientist want to learn about God/Allah then research on The Holly Quran, there you will find past,present and future, scientis invent those things now were told in Quran 1400years ago. so learn foolish scientis first learn

  • peter

    its up two a individual if they believe or dont and it makes no difference if its made up or not its all good stuff and the words are comforting and its good to have a belief it get you out of bed each day

  • Dave Stacey

    Delay accepted. Apologies offered for slow post reaction. Moderated sites are often targeted for holding back post they do not wish to post. You have proven not to be situated in that category.


  • D

    and may the flying spaghetti monster pray for your soul too

  • Dave Stacey

    This sites must be moderated by an Atheist. My post made more than an hour ago was not posted. There must be fear in the mind of this Atheist moderator, else he would put my post through.


  • Dave Stacey

    Supernatural Sun and Spot Granulation Processes,
    David D. Stacey, Private Researcher,
    Glen Allen, VA.

    On July 5, 1885, a spectroheliographic image was taken of the photosphere that demonstrated the best image taken as of that early date. That image was published in 'The Sun,' Kuiper editor, 1953. The image is clear enough where one may easily see the photospheric convection granulation transformation into adult extraterrestrial entities on the photosphere at a temperature near 6,000K (abiogenetic). The estimated time of transformation into entity was submitted by K O Kiepenheuer, 'The Sun,' Kuiper editor, 1953; at 3 minutes for granule transformation. The entities were identified as faculae until K O Kiepenheuer, published in his lecture and included the 1923 Greenwich Observers conclusions identifying photospheric faculae as entities. 'The Sun,' G P Kuiper, editor, 1953, page 369, para. 14.

    Published by K O Kiepenheuer, 'The Sun,' Kuiper editor, 1953 and written by the Greenwich Observers, 'The Sun,' Kuiper, editor, 1953. identified faculae entities are always present surrounding spot formations. The spot entities are in place to effect removal of horses from the spot. The Spot process is akin to the supernatural granulation transformation of faculae, but comes from the darker sun spot pool with an average temperatures near 4,000K, assisted for removal by the entities surrounding the Spot there. As horses, 'The Sun,' Kuiper, editor, 1953, called 'leaders' are retrieved from the spot with the assistance of the faculae entities, they are quickly matched with an entity rider. In some cases when entity is matched by horse, a surge prominence or self ability to fly moves them into the lower Corona. Both faculae entities and horses move into the lower Corona by self flight capability, or by surge prominences; magnetic waves to which they may connect and ride into the Corona. Loop flares are generated from the area of the spots. General prominence waves are generated from the area where entities reside. The creation processes are supernatural and have not been written to equation.

    From the Corona, the entities with or without horse accompaniment move through the Galaxy and Solar System. The entities are provided, internally, with magnetic electrical resonance abilities that may produce high or low temperatures. Theory indicates the excessive heat found in the Corona may be generated by the numerous entities found there, having arrived by riding a magnetic wave prominence or self flight into the lower Corona. The entities demonstrate supernatural abilities.

    The entities have shown an ability to provide a self induced internal light that will project a beam. Then, too, they have shown an ability with groups to form a biological craft for flight. Each individual entity exerts the ability of flight without craft of any type. In groups the entities join arms or hands, after which they probably exert a magnetic electrical resonance which joins the entities into a biological craft for flight, a supernatural ability demonstrated.

    Found within the atmosphere of Earth, the entity's survive well and may not have a need for solid food sources. The entities and horses can and have traveled to the Earth's surface and returned to their atmosphere home around Earth, demonstrating a power over Earth's gravity (photograph).

    Showing signs of biological internal magnetic/electric resonance allows them to defy Earth's gravitational pull. The propagation/creation of Celestial horses and Celestial Entities creation is a clue from where some of the Corona heat is generated. The entities show a supernatural control of the heat factor on the photosphere.

    The sun, 1953, G P Kuiper, editor Photographs
    1923 Greenwich observers Publication, E W Maunder, Photosphere Activity
    NASA and JPL images published in on-line journals
    L H Strous, et all, Phenomena in an emerging active region, para 2,2,4, 28 Feb., 1995
    R Muller (Springer 1985) High Resolution in Solar Physics
    K O Kiepenheuer, Sun Activity, Published, 1953, within The Sun, editor, G P Kuiper
    Published photographs, Image 1898, photosphere, Annie Maunder published.
    Sun spot image, JPL/NASA images

  • SkepticNY

    The bible is true because it says so in the bible. Brilliant!!

  • bosco

    typical scare tactics to get people to believe in a thing that doesn't exist.

  • John

    Regarding the last line of the above article which reads; "This could be dangerous for society, so we must either let them carry on believing their fiction or try to somehow support them when they realise the truth," Dr Sanreso said." People who have been programmed from birth with the idiosyncrasies of "beliefs" are extremely difficult to de-program because their narrow-band thinking is closed to any question. Unbelievably, the words of ancient men cannot be questioned either and if a doubt crept-in, it would be swiftly swept under God's carpet as part of things that a mere mortal could not possibly understand. In conclusion, the likelihood that believers will "realize the truth" is really quite unlikely because followers don't apply critical thinking but instead stubbornly rationalize their beliefs in the desperate hope of eternal life that ancient men said would be forth coming for those who believe in an invisible man (whose name varies depending on one’s brand of religion). So for believers, "realising the truth" is simply eclipsed by their unshakable belief in nonsense that contains no more substance than the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny or the Santa Clause theory. To interfere with delusion is to risk violent reactions so the safest course is to keep well away from anyone infected with religion. For them, physics, science, carbon dating, biology, geology, astrophysics and astronomy (all of which are fact-based and rigorously tested) cannot be considered because… they interfere with "belief". As the old saying goes, "You can lead a horse to water – but you can't make them drink it".

  • God

    What the fuck are you talking about? I can't even take you seriously…If I were real, you wouldn't have been created mainly because of how narrow and close-minded you are. Most religious people are cowards and use god to explain the unexplainable, give it another century or two. Science will explain more in the future, besides..Religion is crumbling beneath you, there are more atheists/agnostics every year and less religious people. Kinda funny how you think you know how everything works because you were spoon-fed the bullshit when you were 3 years old and thus you think its the absolute like Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy. I'm sorry to break it to you, but people are waking up from the stupidity…I feel bad for you, so close-minded. As the Great Soloman the Wise once said "Start with God – the first step in learning is bowing down to God; only fools thumb their noses at such wisdom and learning.". I shouldn't even be wasting my time on how idiotic and shallow you are. The bible hasn't been around forever, neither has Catholicism, Christianity, Judaism, or the word of God. I don't understand how you can't realize that science has already explained why so many animales are related to eachother…Same world…Same conditions (albeit though climate and vegetation do apply to the area)…Same atmosphere…came from the same single-celled organisms…I could go on and on but you religious zombies dont deserve that.

  • Phil

    The 3 Abrahamic religions are a blight on humankind and will most likely lead to the end of the world as we know it. My only regret is I won't be around to say "see, I told you so". Also, notice the hateful comments and name calling directed at Atheists by "religious" people. Proof at how ineffective religion is in creating a better individual.

  • jedi0312

    Truth or Lies or $$$ ?
    The 21st May, 2011 – The Rapture fails to materialize.
    The Bible gives mixed messages about whether the Earth will be destroyed;
    2 Peter 3:10 states that "The earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up,"
    while Ecclesiastes1:4 states that "The earth shall abideth forever."
    And another part of the confusion stems from contradictory Bible passages about when Jesus will return… Matthew 24:36 states explicitly that "Of that day and hour knoweth no one,
    not even the angels of heaven, neither the Son, but the Father only," while
    Matthew 16:28 clearly suggests that Jesus would return during this disciple's lifetime:
    "There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death,
    till they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."
    Meantime, google…..Apocalypse Not Now….. and RT: Apocalypse Not Now…..10 Failed Doomsday Predictions…..cult suicides……..judge refuses to drop charges against U.S. catholic bishop… church says child abuse cases rose in 2011….
    …..Apocalypse Not Now: 2012 Doomsday Predictions Debunked by NASA
    And here is a comment by Bishop Desmond Tutu – "When the missionaries came to Africa, they had the Bible and we had the land. They said, 'Let us pray'. We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land."
    Such doomsday lies are normally spread by a religion.
    Read some articles that in the US, some religious organisations rake in millions of $$$ last year.
    In ancient times, many people believed that the earth was flat.

  • informed-pragmatic

    google…..shroud of turin (not to offend and say that it is a fake, it is now regarded as a controversy).

    did you read those comments posted here yet ?

  • Ben

    Please throw away your thesaurus

  • Rick S

    Your shallow argument reflects your low IQ.

  • Alex

    The true "Jesus" who's real name is Jmmanuel. Meaning of life = Consciousness related evolution. Learning from mistakes, gaining knowledge, truth, wisdom. Creating peace, love, harmony, balance on the planet.

    The Book of Mathew is based off of a book called Talmud Jmmanuel. Want proof? 2O years research on Talmud Jmmanuel comparing it to Matthew.


    It is a sign of human weakness when religions and their false teachings are presented as instruments of what is creative, and when wisdom becomes unreal through this. Religions and politics of the Earth work together in these things and shrink from no intrigue-filled means at all in order to achieve their power-hungry goals.Thereby, false terrestrial religions are to name as the worst factors by which all reality and truth is denied and condemned. In this respect, the Earth must be described as a unique in all areas of the universe known to us, and on all worlds known to us, as a carrier of such degenerated unreal ideologies. Such insane ideologies and religions do not exist anywhere else as they rage here on this Earth. The terrestrial ideologies, and actual sects and religions in particular, as well as the terrestrial power-political machinations, have become a danger which spreads out slowly and fatally. Were it not enough that space-faring races, through the terrestrial ideological and religious insanity, already shifted three of their homeland planets into uproar, which then had to be brought back under control by outside powers, the Earth human also drives his world and the entire solar system dangerously close to destruction.
    Are Earth's religions false?
    Religion as the Earth human knows and pursues it, in the form of the adoration of a god, adoration of saints, and as faith in a god, is a horror to the Pleiadians. They consider this form of religion a blind faith based on cult activities, false teachings, lies, and other falsehoods. It is faith that can never be proven as true, and one which contradicts all the truthful and logical foundations of the Creative laws and commandments, and also defies intelligence. Religion embodies a deprivation of the spiritual freedom of the human being. Religion is also a brutal, criminal and exploitative enslavement of the human consciousness, reaching from total dependence, serfdom, and a lack of willpower all the way to uncontrolled fanaticism, mental illness, demonic obsession and utter idiocy.

  • Jay Brown

    The bible cannot possibly be the word of God alone simply because of its very content. Clearly history proves that the Egyptian Pharaoh Akhenaten established the first attempt at monotheism, choosing much like the Jews and Muslims, one aspect/one god out of their pantheon of many.
    Despite the short lived history of Akhenaten's lone sun worship, like all egyptian cults there was an established set of priests who would attempt to keep alive the beliefs. These mystery schools existed in Egypt and spread out across Western Asia and South East Europe as trade, science and philosophy were also shared.
    Essentially the problem with the god of the jews and therefore the god of christians and muslims is that he is essentially one and the same. Beyond this the archaeological evidence shows us that prior to the Jews being monotheistic, they worshipped a variety of gods. That the god they now worship existed INSIDE the pantheon of gods they already had and not apart from it is historically damning beacuse it shows that they chose.
    Figures such as Abraham also create their own problems with Abraham having his own debateable creation story. Abraham is merely another attempt by man to explain his origins appearing as a combination of Jesus and Adam. Despite the fact that all three monotheistic religions appear under his name as an umbrella term he is ascribed vastly different characteristics ranging from a bedouin farmer to a wealthy landowner. HIs wife Sarah is somehow a great beauty aged 65 and is expedited to the Pharaohs harem despite harems being more or less only related to the storing of women gained from political or financial transactions and treaties between government and other similar entities. Abraham and Sarah use the ruse of being siblings more than once.
    The story of Abraham and Hagar appears to be written to include somehow more Egyptian characters into a narrative that glorifies the characters of Hebrews in the story – that in fact one of the largest agricultural success stories in antiquity was beholden to a single 'Jew' of questionable education, with success or failure based not off of scientific methods that existed at the time like nilometers but the say-so of a foreigner.
    Later on Sarah gives birth in her 90's which also defies biology. The one thing that god has set in stone is a definite limit on the amount of potential births a woman can have over one lifetime. Is Sarah was infertile into old age she would have stopped menstruating like all women. Starting to menstruate would have been a miracle in itself but this is not mentionned in any canon.

    In the period of antiquity in what is now the Holy Land we should see ample evidence that Jerusalem as capital of the United Monarchy was a substantial town, instead archaeological surveys clearly show that that is not the case. Instead it was a tiny hill town that only gained settlers who themselves were refugees from the north of the region such as Israel proper.
    It was the conquest of the region by the Babylonians in and around the 6th century BC that caused the Jewish diasporas. This itself was the catalyst that produced the psychological need to create one all powerful god and also brought those in the diaspora into contact with other civilizations that had a saviour myth. Even so their most powerful God was still worshipped with a wife figure for a long time before being abandoned.
    If we look further beyond bibles and religious books to older texts and myths, we can see that many if not all of the stories in the bible are replications of previous stories. Gilgamesh and Noah, Mises and Moses, Horus and Isis Mer and Jesus and the Virgin Mary. The very fact that the stories are similar is the smoking gun. In the same way it is not possible for popular composers of the past to time travel forwards to steal the work of Andrew Lloyd Webber, it is also not possible for creation myth and religious stories to have existed before those who wish to claim ownership of the today.
    The whole reason why apologetics exists in the first place is because there is much to be corrected, defended and debated within all religions that conflicts with the reality of the situation we are suppsoed to live with.
    The gospels themselves do not agree even as to where Jesus was born and where he lived afterwards. The gospels of Matthew and Luke say that Jesus was born in Bethlehem but the gospel of John says that he was born in Galilee. John also says that he was rejected by the Jews precisely because he was NOT born in Bethlehem.
    I think we can all agree that birthdates need to be fixed for there to be some semblance of truth. Birthplaces at they very very least ought to be the same but they are not showing that Jesus cannot possibly be real if biblical scholarship is to be accepted as truth.
    This is further compoundede by the fact that according to the Bible everybody knew that Jesus had been born, particularly as even King Herod directed the wise men to follow a star in the night sky. Luke says that Jesus was taken to the temple and imediately proclaimed to be the Messiah so it should have been no mystery to Herod. On the other hand Matthew says that Herod didn't find out for at least another two years or so; so again we have clear contradictions to a story that really ought to oly ave one version if it were to be true.
    Furthermore Matthew say that Jesus was boen before Herod died which was in 4BC and of course that they fled to Egypt. Luke on the other hand says that Jesus was born in a census year 10 years after Herod's death. He also doesn't say they left for Egypt and in fact stayed in Nazareth the whole time.

    On the other hand actual people who documented history such as Josephus mention nothing of Jesus. In the Antiquities of the Jews, Josephus literally lists the crimes of King Herod and doesn't mention the slaughter of the innocents in which Herod supposedly ordered the murder of all newborn babies in order to prevent the existence of any messiah character. This is surely a big deal to have occured and would have been somewhere near the top of the list of crimes but Josephus doesn't mention it because it never happened.

    The authorship of all the gospels in highly questionable and only the most ignorant of Christians believes that they were written by Mark, Matthew, Luke and John.
    The four gopsels obviously represented competing schools of philosophy over the figure of Jesus. Their inclusion above all other stories merely exist because it was believed that Jesus ought to be portrayed as someone who really existed rather than the allegorical figures alluded to in the Gnostic gospels not included in the official canon. Portraying agreement of Jesus as a real person was certainly easier than agreeing his back story as so the easier of two tasks was accomplished. As the Gnostic gospels describe the same person but as an obvious fiction it is clear that it was DECIDED that Jesus should only be described as real as that is what makes the canon today.
    Individuals such as Justin Martyr who wrote in Greek quotes heavily from the old testament but never once names Mark, MAtthew, Luke or John. On the other hand he argues with the Gnostic gospel authors about whether Jesus existed or not. The Gnostics were obviously aware that Jesus was not a historic figure and Justin's lack of knowledge or support from Mark, Matthew, Luke and John demonstrates that they weren't around before his death in 165BC.

    Many apologists choose to include highly dubious sources as evidence of Jesus's existence such as Josephus in which he is made to say that Jesus was the Christ – which no card carrying Jew like Josephus would ever say. Josephus writes extensively about other radical movements like the Essenes but mentions next to nothing about Jesus's following or the apostle Paul who was supposedly executed by Nero as he was such a threat.
    Out of Paul's numerous epistles only seven or so are asserted to be genuine by modern scholars; Timothy 1 and 2 , Collosians, Titus and so on are certainly not his work if he did exist and even then authorshp of 'genuine' epistles is asserted rather than outright proven.
    Furthmore Paul's 'genuine' books begin at crucifixion and there is no mention of Jesus being from Nazareth, no mention of Pontius Pilate and certainly nothing about the gospels of Mark Matthew, Luke and John.
    Paul is clearly a parody of the real Apollonius of Tyana who shares the exact same story only with a pre-christian bent.

    Monotheism is a reaction the expanding knowledge of human beings at the time with science, astronomy and mathematics taking problems of existence and explanations out of the heavens and into the grasp of the non religious. The move to place a belief system on top of a hierarchy under continual usurpation by humans is a predictable and expected reaction fromthose within any clergy. Deities are combined and upgraded to sit atop any philosophical structure where logical explanations replace the actions of the gods. When the movements and actions of the stars in the nights sky become predictable and measureable they cease to become the whims and responsibilties of the gods. The move to monotheism merely represents the ideals of priests and clergy to re-assert their own place as powerful authority figures within their own culture, the only other option being choosing a favourite from a patheon when the collective is affected by external threats.

    Indeed persons such as Mohammed, who created Islam were influenced by the cultures and beliefs of the region where he lived. Mohammed clearly combined the Moon God Allah with the Jewish Yahweh to create Islam and acted as a one man show in order to gain control over large areas. The Quran, unlike the bible does not attempt to be a history book as by this point Mohammed was competing with greater numbers of writers, scholars and poets whose work was admired or despised by Mohammed in roughly equal numbers.

    The problems with Islam start almost immediately with Muslims believing they are the children of Abraham based on the story that Abraham impregnated an Egyptian servant/slave named Hagar. But since Abraham didn't exist it is likely that Hagar didn't either. That said Hagar did endure a great deal of suffering with Sarah as her mistress and owner and so is a more sympathetic figure to spring board your religion off of.
    Mohammed lived in a world surrounded by Jewish settlements hundreds of years of and so it should be no suprise that a great deal of reinvention and appropriation occurs.
    The only difference is that for the majority of the Quran Mohammed is the only person who recieves any word from God at all. This is very odd as the exact same god is shown in older books and stories to have spoken to a variety of people across the spectrum from men and women to low and high born people. It is never made clear why God would choose Mohammed over the scores of better educated and more honourable individuals of the region such as the plethora of respected poets but what is clear is that God quickly becomes Mohammed's benefactor and no-one elses.

    Mohammed benefits so personally from his relationship with Allah that even issues that might require some deep introspection are solved with convinient moments of clarity. When Mohammed covets his adopted son's wife, Mohammed is conviniently given the justification to affect a divorce and the morality to pursue her. Why an almighty god would be remotely interested in the sexual wantoness of Mohammed is at direct odds with the supreme majesty alluded to by Muslims. Allah is either an all powerful God not subject to the whims and wants of man or he is a being who creates the possibilties of morally questionable sexual trysts and who demands his share in earthly things created by himself.
    That Allah stipulates his share of booty and captured goods shows that Mohammed's philosophy was more about his own creation of power than divinely received words from the heavens. Furthermore the Quran is chock-a-block with contradictions that range across all subjects which Muslim apologists.
    According to the Quran man was created by; congealed blood, clay, dust, nothing and a drop of sperm. The first Muslim was Abraham, Moses, Mohammed or Jacob. The consumption of wine is an abomination yet promised in heaven and Allah both does and does not forgiv those who worship false gods.

    The lack of consensus on many issues in the Quran is very odd in the face of statements which assert that the Quran is perfection or similar seeing as many statements later have polar opposites delievered with the same authority. The changeablility of ideals and beliedfs more or less mirrors the role that Mohammed himself played in the creation of his own religion. People are directed to act for his temporal benefit, he achieves great wealth and power and individuals are manipulated in situations where ultimately he benefits more than the Allah himself. Many of the stories revolve so heavily around Mohammed that without Mohammed, Allah himself might not exist.

    The overriding theme of all three religions is that one way or the other they all fail the consistency test. Characters asserted to be real are usually undocumented and with more than one history, birthplaces are widespread and conflict with the real historic evidence that we have.
    Creation myths and origin stories are blatantly lifted from previous extant civilizations with impunity and older great civilizations are relegated beneath fictional towns and cities.

    Those of the religious persuasion might wonder why the towns and cities of antiquity are mostly pagan in origin and why hardly any time sensitive evidence from biblical times exists. It is because they never existed. Instead cultures worthy of respect that were superior in custom and beliefs such as the Egyptians were usurped or threatened from within. Christianity was a useful tool for the Roman Empire at a time of political, economic and military crisis that occured from the very real problem of Rome's continuing adoption of other peoples deities. Like the Jews and Ahkenaten elevating one god over the myriad of others was nothing more than a play for power of the morality and therefore the character of the empire. Controlling the character of an empire was just as important as controlling the economy, the military and the politics and none were more than a few degree of seperation from the other.
    Islam had the great benefit of being the last major monotheistic religion and relies heavily on that position to both debunk Judaism and Christianity and exist as the final word of a god who had his final word twice already. Islam's essential rehash of Judaism with more rules, an established hell and the re-working of Jesus is once again a display of man reworking stories rather than receiving words from God.

    History as it stands is not on the side of any religious bok out there no matter how much apologists try to bend it to make it fit their beliefs, they will always be stuck in a priori mode. To be fair no-one except the most militant of atheists has a problem with people having beliefs, it's just that they do not want to be beholden to the beliefs of others. On the other hand i would assert that they aren't 'your beliefs' because very few religious people 'come to believe' as opposed to being raised within a church. Anything that is remotely divine is denied to you in my opinion as you are merely accepting other peoples beliefs rather than forming your own.
    I suppose i would prefer a more sophisicated construct that matched today's lifestyle and cultural continuum but on the whole religion still involves the usurpation of man's discoveries by precisely what those discoveries reject or disaprove.

  • Jo

    You are delusional, my friend! Besides, because of religion the world is in a constant state of war and hate!

  • becci

    all religions are wrong christians are wrong one they havent been around that long hindi is the longest religion being around 3000 years and its based on spirits and recarnation spirits and ghosts are fact many including myself have encountered experiences with psychic, spiritual and ghost experiences i was bought up around chistian faith but then i questioned because one big lie of them all is jesus if he was real he would have been black or dark skinned especially going back all those years ago and where he was born yet we portray him as being white that in itself is a lye also the bible says that there is only one mediator between us and god and that is jesus yet all the religions christians and catholics have priests popes bishops etc that mediate between u and christ they are men nothing special yet we worship them because they control us, its mother nature that controls our universes and spirit all religions have bought nothing but war murder and depression i get enlightened when i meditate and get intune with nature like animals and there instincts we are the only animals that have made religions dogs and tigers and birds do not worship a god or religion so are they going to hell for not believeing no there not because that would be cruel christianity originated from catholics catholics originated from america the biggest greediest country in the world and behind these religions are the same greedy people that control and manipulate us when you find the truth there will be freedom just like the other animals we share this world with that are not controlled by religion im not atheist because there is a greater energy than us our planet is nothing compared to what else is out there i believe in the greater good and that humans should be free like the animals we share life with religion does not make you free and all those who are really religious with there beliefs thats fine but do not call others swines when myself have done research deeply on every aspect of religions you have been bought up with your ways and beliefs and taught what to believe my free spirit has pondered everything and is still pondering because my spirit is free it is not controlled by man yet communicates with spirits and is intune with instincts and nature of which was here before man x

  • Joseph Warner

    The Holy Christian Bible is the word of God. That is proof right there that God exists because he wrote that book. You only have to read it to realise that God created the bible so that man could have a celestial manual on how to live life and a map of our universal history and future. Without the bible, the world would be in constant war and hate. Atheists do not believe in God or the bible, they are idiots and swine.

  • Fact

    Jesus existed asnight isday.The Turin shroud andBible is prove that he existed andd theBible isthe actual word of God.

  • zombie netizen

    OMG….can pronounce the word "God" ?

    Pic de Bugarach: French commune home to 20,000 ‘doomsday cultists’ awaiting alien salvation


  • tiara

    LOL you didn't prove anything in this "study" just your opinion on religion. There are many artifacts and findings that religion is accurate, maybe you should study more. Here's a test for you…go buy a wiji board and summon demons up trust me you'll believe in afterlife after that you ignorant pig. Another thing, with scientists they are thinking and studying with a human aspect for life not a spiritual one. Of course you're not going to understand religious things because God didnt intend us to view them from a plain human mind that's why there's the saying "filled with the Holy ghost" reading His word gives you a better understanding of what He was trying to get across. Once humans stop reading the Bible in literal meanings then maybe you'd actually get the words. I've witnessed God in my life many times, He's performed alot of miracles on my behalf and there's no other explanation how I'd be so blessed unless it were God. Athiests are just mad because God is like a parent figure and as humans we're held accountable for our wrong doing and rebellion, some people don't want to feel they have to live their life accordingly and in a "box" they also don't like the feeling of having to possibly suffer consequences of their actions so they "do what thou wilt" like the satanists believe in. Religion will always be argued, denied, which one is true which one isn't until the day Jesus returns and shows the real truth. "EVERY knee shall bow" if you don't acknowledge Him now you WILL. Just know…no matter how much you may HATE religion, God, He still loves you and gives you plenty of opportunities each day to accept Him whether you realize it or not! I don't see how people believe in science to a certain extent anyways…they say we came from monkeys, fish, evolution idk clearly something had to make those creatures as well LOL. Reason why we're so closely related to other creatures because we all came from the same creator DUH haha. And one last thing your article states you did a study for 5 years and found your conclusions…not sure how you came up with 100% accuracy within 5 years when there are REAL, SMART, EDUCATED theologists that have been studying religion for hundreds and thousands of years…there will never be PROOF on earth because God wants us to have FAITH; believing in something we cannot see is ultimate faith. I don't need proof in order to love Him, I just read His Word that he wrote in the Bible himself and that's how I feel close to Him. the path of destruction is broad and easy to follow but the gates of Heaven are on a narrow road. God bless your life I hope you find your way.

  • pepe

    I'm only gonna say that who ever wrote this article has a huge hate towards religion and needs to overcome his own mental problems and overcome the fear of death. Let other people believe whatever they want to believe and choose your own path.

  • Cristina

    In Saudi Arabia, all citizens are reqeirud to be Muslims, and the public practice of other religions is forbidden. Private practice of other religions is sometimes allowed and sometimes persecuted; there is no law protecting even this.Iran is officially a Twelver Shiite state. Some other religions (Christianity, Judaism, Zoroastrianism) are permitted, but are not allowed to proselytize; and they are sometimes persecuted even if they don't. The Bahai faith is not allowed at all. Sunni Muslims are subject to some restrictions also.In China, all religious organizations have to be authorized by the government. This has given rise to conflict when the government appoints religious leaders different from what the religion itself chooses. There are state-appointed Catholic, Protestant, Buddhist, Taoist, and Muslim leaders. These are not always approved by the religious organizations outside of China. Those who practice religion outside these state-approved organizations are subject to severe persecution.In Turkey, since the secularization by Ataturk in the early 20th century, the government permits all religions but keeps them all under close surveillance. Special religious clothing (the veil, the fez) is not permitted to be worn in public. Turkey is predominantly Muslim, and there is some prejudice against other religions.In North Korea, virtually no religious practice is allowed except a limited amount by foreigners. Worship is considered a political offense.Cuba was for years officially atheist, and religious practice was seriously discouraged, with some persecution. But now religious people are even allowed to join the Communist Party. The government is secular rather than atheist, and religious practice is pretty much free.These are a few varied examples of governments which have restricted religious practice. In our time, the States that restrict religious freedom are mostly Muslim or Atheist.I can't think of any other belief system that does this in modern times.Religion is the source of meaning and values for many people, and restricting it restricts the growth of the human soul. In countries where a religion is imposed, it loses some of its growth potential. In countries where religion is not restricted or mandated by the government, it flourishes and leads to better values and ways of life.

  • dream

    Researcher, What makes u believe the current copies of holy books are the exact ones that Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed brought to humans. How if God has done his job sending us perfect people with perfect books, but we (humans) has made changes in his revelations till they got full of contradictions?

  • Anonymous

    May Jesus forgive all these scientists..

  • Harlod NCO

    The worst part about religious indoctrination is that it is generational. What I mean is there are literally centuries of brainwashing and customs to break through. These people are so brainwashed that it may take centuries more to decontaminate them. My gues sis that if it came down to it they would rather take the bullet to the head than accept their religion was bogus.

  • KIIN

    I just awoke from a 25 year MORMON / Christian fantasy and im pretty pissed, but more than angry im determined to prove what i can do as a human being with no so called divine instruction and restrictions.

    The sooner the better we wakeup and realise that no amount of praying is going to make things better.

    We are alone, but we are powerful creatures that have the ability to be amazing, if we just come together and work for the common good of one almighty superior progressive intelligent empire – things are going to be SO GOOD.

    * also, we shouldnt feel we need to be good " or else "

    We should want to be good and moral, because being good comes with so many rewards right here and right now.

    being good is progressive, its peaceful, its joyful…. i dont need religion to teach me this, i dont need to be scared of a fantastical diety to want to do this, i dont need to be rewarded with heaven, or bliss, or 70 virgins when i die for me to want to do good in this world.

  • Carmine Gorga

    This “study” plumbs depths of ignorance never before explored in the annals of mankind. Where to start? An appropriate point might be an analysis of the mish-mash made of the conception of time in modern science. A useful finish might be an analysis of the mystical concept of God as the Timeless One.

  • Joe

    Huh? Neither the bible nor Christianity nor any other religion is now or ever was an 'encoded science' (whatevercthat is suppsosed to mean) that somehow became 'corrupted'. There is not now nor was there ever any astronomy or human physiology on the bible; it was was written by ignorant, superstitious, pere-scientific goat herders and it shows. The bible is precisely as crazy as it seems. It does have lots of astrology and other unscientific, nonsensical ideas in it however, such as the notion of a 'firmament'.

  • amadrigalme

    I see what Mohamed is saying. Mo is NOT saying who the books were written by, but he is stating a fact in saying there is no scientific evidence presented in the article and the title is misleading. If we (meaning me) as atheists attemp to present evidence, we should do just that, present evidence, not cunjecture, and certainly not a misleading headline that rallies the troops (humanist, atheist, agnostic, etc.) We (meaning me) (humanist, atheist, agnostic, etc.) should NOT play the same gotcha game as the "faithers" our job is to present evidence using the scientific methhod. Leave emotion out and let logic ring!

  • Truth

    The religious books only don't make sense when are treated as such. Because they're not. The bible, for example, is the less religious book in the world! It's astrology, astronomy and human physiology been mythologized. The religion and it's institution: the church are criminals about turn what was once a encoded science into a literal nonsense in order to gain control over the primitive and superstitious minds. The bible is a victim – as just as all the empty headed church goers and fanatics out there.

  • Joe

    Shallow analysis of religion here (and lame attempt at humor). Religion isn't about control, it's about mortality. Death makes life a surreal tragedy at base, a fact we live with constantly but never want to accept. And it's not the 'mystery' of death that fucks with our heads, but rather what we know about it that does – namely – that it is the extinguishment of our awareness. The main difference between an atheist and a theist is that the atheist acknowledges these hard truths openly whereas the theist denies them, first and foremost to themselves. I've never observed any believer consistently act as though they REALLY thought there was a tri-O God observing them and an afterlife to come. When they're loved ones die, they mourn them like someone who knows they're gone forever, not like some one who they really believe has 'gone on to a better place' where they will eventually reunite.

    It's a pretty neat trick to be able to convince yourself you will live forever. Humans are so fucked up.

  • Brent Meeker

    Why would anyone bother to publish a scientific study of what is so obviously true. What's next? Water is wet?

  • M&ms

    This is nonsense, everyday thousands of people realised they don't believe in their "God" anymore, and yet they're not disoriented, they still have values, they don't become angry. I believe there won't be any revolution and religion will always exist in a way or another even if there is nothing rational in it.

  • FTaqiu about u make some research about Islam. Im sure your answer all gonna be there.

  • andrew

    Well, Man created the language the books were written in. "God" did not.
    For you see if "God" were real, why would He create books of religious beliefs that contradict one another?

  • jenu

    hoo…yet, u don't know the a answer. Read something about the following: big-bang, artificial-life, DNA , evolution, artificial amino acid …

  • testifyer

    there's a new "religion" its called humanism!

    come on people, religion isnt stoping anyone for doing wrong, religion is stimulating people for hate!!

    Religion is against human instinct, with religion we forget who and what we really are!

  • Mohamed

    Where is the scientific proof here that all religious books were written by man?!! That’s what I'm saying..Scientific research and scientific methodology has nothing to do with this article with its misleading title..It's merely a philosophical position has already been adopted by some people long time ago..There are nothing about any research conducted to support this claim.

  • Janice Lane

    I think what the scientists are saying is that if a religious book is written by a man, it can't be the word of god because it was written by a human being. i think that pretty much sums it all up…i could be wrong

  • Mohamed

    You call this crap a "Scientific proof" ? I found nothing to do with Science in it..This is not more than several-centuries-old philosophical argument poorly and naively portrayed as "Scientific discovery"..What was the test? the data collected? the data Interpreted?!

  • larahaddad

    I come from a country where we say: If Religion didn't exist ; we would have invented something that looks like it" you may be right but people will live in universal disorder and unorganized world if there were no " CONTROL SYSTEMS" …If people didn't fear “GOD” , killing and stealing would be a daily normal activity….for example.

    He who invented religion is smart somehow he succeeded to control for thousands of years as you said- the entire surrounding!!

    Lara Haddad from Lebanon; it is A small country but we are smart people.

  • Sadashiv

    Scientits can explain physical phenomenons up to certian point beyond which they have no explanation. Einstein has been quoted to say "I wish I knew how GOD thiks", which says it all.

  • Goodgulf

    Oh please, anyone can easily practice science. It's actually pretty simple, and only requires a few steps. You are being disingenuous.

  • Mohamed Elbadry

    I guess the last paragraph explain the wisest advise for those have long personal or collective belief. Remedy is difficult in such cases but they may help sane societies to discover more of our cultural diseases.

  • Vandy Perry

    It is so very sad to see how many people in the world are still suffering from their religous delusions. These "worshipers," are the victims of mind control, just the same as the tyrants of Cambodia and North Korea would deploy today. They are helpless to know the truth because they have been brainwashed for their entire lives, as have their parents, their siblings, their neighbors, and co-workers. Whole communities in complete denial of facts, jumping up and down, clapping their hands, singing praises, and glorfying no one but an imagination. They have self-manipulated their brain chemistry and become "worship junkies." Thankfully modern technology, and tools like the internet, will champion the distribution of factual history, and ultimately be the savior of them all. It may take a couple more generations to free the worshipers, and millions of worshipers will go to their graves still beleiving in their god(s) and messiahs, but it won't be long now until the world will finally have their eyes open, because the truth was there here whole time. Bibles are bullshit… "FATHER, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME," are the words of a dying Jesus man who has just realized that he wasted his entire life acting a fool and god d